[lit-ideas] Re: Sacrifice
- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
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- Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:05:57 EST
Re: "Self-Sacrifice" and "Other"
Re: Judith Baker, "Do one's motives have to be pure?" (in Grandy/Warner,
PGRICE, Clarendon):
In a message dated 2/13/2005 1:35:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Is she perhaps confusing motive (prior) with psychological state
(effect)? If not, is what she's saying somewhat empty?
-- I see what you mean but am not convinced that in the real world, it
makes much difference
but then some of the rationality lot make me a bit ratty, I may be
displacing that on her.
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I'm appending below the etymology of 'motive', for the sake of it, I
suppose. I'm not sure what's the word Kant used, that was translated as
'motive' in
_Critique of Practical Reason_. Incidentally, I suppose 'pure' translates
German 'reinen', but oddly, for Kant, this is not really the realm of _pure_
*theoretical* reason, but pure _practical_ reason.
I found another link, an essay on "Kant on the Motive of Duty", which may be
helpful.
I found Urmson's essay interest (on "Saints and Sinners") but I'm often
puzzled -- as when I see the musical "Evita" promoted -- that for some agents
you
are never sure if they were saints or sinners -- or, as Robert Paul would
say, both.
Cheers,
JL
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'motive', OED
[< Anglo-Norman motif, motive will, drive, motivation, case, instance, and
Middle French, French motif reason for action (1370), basis for an argument
(1373), reason or grounds for a law, judgment, etc. (1393) and their etymon
post-classical Latin motivum reason, impulse, cause (from 13th cent. in
British
and continental sources), that which moves or initiates motion (from early
14th cent. in British sources), consideration, matter put forward (1433 in a
British source), use as noun of neuter of post-classical Latin motivus MOTIVE
a. For senses relating to the arts at branch III see discussion s.v. MOTIF n.
Cf. Old Occitan motiu (14th cent.), Spanish motivo (1435), Portuguese motivo
(1651), Italian motivo MOTIVO n., German Motiv (16th cent.).]
_Ethics Updates: Kantian Ethics Home Page_
(http://ethics.acusd.edu/theories/kant/)
... 313-337. Expressing a Good Will: Kant on the Motive of Duty, Southern
Journal
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Jac> One is also reminded of J. O. Urmson's essay, "Saints and sinners", and
the
Jac> meta-ethical idea of supererogation.
oh dear, something else to try to read!
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