[jhb] Re: IVAO and Unwelcome ATC
- From: Gerry Winskill <gwinsk@xxxxxxx>
- To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:52:04 +0100
MCB mail hangup, perhaps.
Baiscally I guess I should have started by asking whether Scottish
control is within IVAO regs in acting as he has done, with me and with
others, on two occasions. On one I was sitting at Barrow, sqawking 7000
and having filed A VFR flightplan to EGNS, where you were logged on. He
sent me a text message, instructing me to contact him for clearance,
before starting to taxi. I feigned ignorance and started to taxi. He
repeated the message. I politely queried the proceedure, since I was
VFR, but he equally politely told me that was the way he does things!
So, point 1; I didn't expect a controller in his position to insist on
that, even if Barrow was in his zone, which it is not.
Next he gave me a squawk and cleared me to take off and climb not above
2000 ft. I can't find anything on the CAA chart that imposes that height
restriction. Imposing a squawk on a VFR flight, outside controlled
airspace was something I didn't understand either.
Finally, I had to stay with him until given permission to change
frequency to Ronaldsway Approach. I wonder whether, with Ronaldsway
manned, he'd still insisted on giving me taxi clearance, etc, at Jurby?
After the Barrow experience, I made an IFR flight from the South of
England to EGNS. Again there was no airfield control but the London
Control was manned. With Barrow in mind, I contacted him, on the stand,
and asked whether I needed any clearances from him, or whether I should
contact him airborne. He said no contact or clearances were required
until I was airborne.
On previous flights in the North, with Scottish Control not manned, Ive
received a text message from a different London Sector Control. This was
quite different in that it just OFFERED any in flight service I might
require, or any other way in which he might be of assistance. I've no
problem with that.
So, there seems to be a different approach being adopted by one
controller. I may be wrong but it seems to be significantly departing
from IVAO's attempts to mimic real life ATC. I may be alone in finding
the Scottish approach inhibiting but it does mean that the VFR
priviledges are being denied us and. If there is more than one set of
rules in play then it does complicate life somewhat.
Gerry Winskill
bones wrote:
I didn't get the original post from Gerry so I don't know what this is
about. Seems my mail is going through a crisis of existentialism as your
post below (sent at 2015) didn't arrive until 1125 today.
I don't profess to being able to interpret Gerry's letter from the content
of Frank's reply but I assume some misunderstanding between himself and ATC.
All I would like to say here is that there are a lot of newcomers to IVAO on
both sides. JHB pilots are new and it is inevitable that mistakes will be
made. In this case you hope ATC will be sympathetic and understanding and
help you out.
If the situation is reversed then I hope pilots show equal understanding.
Asking one side to play ball can easily come back to you with a vengeance.
bones
-----Original Message-----
From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of franklyn fisher
Sent: 10 September 2007 20:15
To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb] Re: IVAO and Unwelcome ATC
Gerry
The IVAO forums, might be a good place. Not much point asking pilots to play
ball, if the controllers are not.
If I am in contact with my instructor tomorrow night, I will ask the
question. Tactfully.
FF
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