[jhb] Re: FS Scenery
- From: "Fossil" <fossil@xxxxxxx>
- To: <jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:33:44 -0000
I remember that all too well and it was indeed a lucky escape.
One nasty trick he pulled was to "give" us OS data to create the scenery.
When we (Paul?) checked with OS and discovered the data wasn't kosher PT had
the audacity to threaten us saying we had broken the NDA with him by getting
in touch with OS! I can't understand the twisted mind of someone who thinks
they can sue you for revealing they were, essentially, breaking OS
copyright.
I'm glad we got extracted from all that but it left a cloud over the
enterprise.
bones
bones@xxxxxxx
http://woodair.net
-----Original Message-----
From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Phil Reynolds
Sent: 10 August 2011 18:59
To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jhb] Re: FS Scenery
Yeah, my brother-in-law (Reg "The Law") help us extract ourselves from a
contract with Mr Tishma when we were doing the "VFR Scenery" stuff for
FS98. A lucky escape...
Phil
On 10/08/2011 19:47, Gerry Winskill wrote:
> That was him. A trail of wreckage followed him.
>
> Gerry Winskill
>
> On 10/08/2011 19:40, Mike Brook wrote:
>> Aaah! The unlamented 'Papa Tango' aka Peter Tishma (or similar).
>> WOT A ROGUE!! Hopefully he is languishing at Her Majesty's
>> pleasure somewhere (or maybe that is just wishful thinking on my
>> part ...).
>>
>> Them was the days!
>>
>> MikeB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Gerry Winskill
>> Sent: 10 August 2011 19:36
>> To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [jhb] Re: FS Scenery
>>
>> Like Mike, I've an idea he's now with Horizon / Playsims. He was,
>> as you
>> say, dumped by Horizon, who then did the same to Darren, after
>> he'd got
>> his ideas into product form for them. After being ditched he had
>> problems getting it accepted that parts of what they were using
>> were his
>> property. Subsequently he managed to set up ES and produces much
>> better
>> work than his ex employer, though with a smaller geographical
>> photoscenery area available to him. He did in fact manage to gain
>> an MOD
>> contract that his former boss was holding at the time.
>>
>> Whatever happened to the bandit who used to turn up at the
>> flightsim
>> shows in airline uniform?
>>
>> Gerry Winskill
>>
>> On 10/08/2011 19:25, Fossil wrote:
>>> I still feel Mally got dropped on from a big height when Horizon
>> took over
>>> the photo scenery development. I hope he is doing enough to
>> survive now as
>>> he gave up full time work to develop the VFR scenery.
>>>
>>> I still find his web page at
>> http://www.visualflight.co.uk/photoscenery/ but
>>> most of the links seem dead.
>>>
>>> bones
>>>
>>> bones@xxxxxxx
>>> http://woodair.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf
>>> Of Mike Brook
>>> Sent: 10 August 2011 18:17
>>> To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jhb] Re: FS Scenery
>>>
>>> .... but, luckily, the 'Darren' from the 'VFR Project' days is
>> the
>>> same 'Darren' who currently runs EarthSimulations! I have a
>>> feeling that Mally is still lurking somewhere in the background
>> of
>>> Horizon/EarthSims but he has yet to stick his head above the
>>> parapet so I can't confirm ...
>>>
>>> M.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Fossil
>>> Sent: 10 August 2011 18:33
>>> To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jhb] Re: FS Scenery
>>>
>>> This was one of the more successful developments by the UK VFR
>>> Project
>>> website and although they never got complete UK coverage the
>> work
>>> done was
>>> still impressive. I've just found the IoM files I submitted for
>>> the project
>>> but they needed reworking because all the trees defaulted to
>>> conifers. AgenT
>>> should have sorted this out but that's when the PC died and I
>>> never finished
>>> the work.
>>>
>>> Oddly enough I've just found the UK VFR Library PDF showing all
>>> the 3D
>>> objects Darren build and it's a sobering reminder just how many
>>> cars, ships,
>>> houses and general objects he made. It's a shame the UK VFR site
>>> closed
>>> down.
>>>
>>> bones
>>>
>>> bones@xxxxxxx
>>> http://woodair.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf
>>> Of Gerry Winskill
>>> Sent: 10 August 2011 16:58
>>> To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [jhb] Re: FS Scenery
>>>
>>> Now Treescapes is definitely worth having. I used not to be a
>> fan
>>> of
>>> Autogen, the MS version, but Treescapes is one of my better
>> buys.
>>>
>>> Gerry Winskill
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/08/2011 17:23, Fossil wrote:
>>>> Yep - it doesn't really sound that exciting so I'll check the
>>> website to
>>>> see if there is any compelling reason to think about buying it.
>>>>
>>>> I saw Treescapes on the Earthsim site yesterday so will have
>>> another look.
>>>>
>>>> bones
>>>>
>>>> bones@xxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> http://woodair.net
>>>>
>>>> *From:*jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Paul Reynolds
>>>> *Sent:* 10 August 2011 16:02
>>>> *To:* jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* [jhb] Re: FS Scenery
>>>>
>>>> I should have added that v3 is 'nice but not necessary' as you
>>> have the
>>>> v1 -2 upgrade then v3 would require a new purchace of the
>>> complete set,
>>>> I'd opt fot EarthSim Treescapes instead, far better valur for
>>> money!
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> *From:* jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Paul Reynolds
>>>> *Sent:* 10 August 2011 16:59
>>>> *To:* jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* [jhb] Re: FS Scenery
>>>>
>>>> v3 adds a new higher (60cm) resolution to some areas and a
>>> few
>>>> models of some well known landmarks.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> *From:* jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
>> *Fossil
>>>> *Sent:* 10 August 2011 16:47
>>>> *To:* jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* [jhb] Re: FS Scenery
>>>>
>>>> I suspect the v2 disks are the free upgrade. I've just
>>> opened
>>>> both sets for the first time and whilst the v1 cases
>> all
>>> have
>>>> product registration cards in them the v2 sets don't.
>>>>
>>>> It seems odd opening them after all this time -
>> they've
>>> been
>>>> stuck away for years - and it might also surprise
>>> Horizon when I
>>>> activate them after all this time.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't know a third version was out so can I ask
>> why?
>>> What
>>>> have they done to make v3 necessary?
>>>>
>>>> bones
>>>>
>>>> bones@xxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> http://woodair.net
>>>>
>>>> *From:*jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Paul
>>> Reynolds
>>>> *Sent:* 10 August 2011 10:22
>>>> *To:* jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* [jhb] Re: FS Scenery
>>>>
>>>> You only need V2, it came with night lighting and
>> FS2004
>>> on it
>>>> which were absent on v1. I never purchased v1 so it is
>>> clearly
>>>> not needed. If you have v2 because you were an
>> original
>>> v1 buyer
>>>> then v2 was issued free, if you purchased v2 then you
>>> qualify
>>>> for the half price v3 upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> If I recall correctly, the difference between v1 and
>> v2
>>> was
>>>> night lighting and improved water masks (?)
>>>>
>>>> Paul.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> *From:* jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Frank Turley
>>>> *Sent:* 10 August 2011 08:02
>>>> *To:* jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* [jhb] Re: FS Scenery
>>>>
>>>> Not absolutely positive about this, but I think
>> the
>>> version
>>>> 1 came in 2 flavours, FSX and FS2004, but they got
>>> the
>>>> updates onto a single set. I guess you need to
>>> install the
>>>> version 1, followed by the updates.
>>>>
>>>> This all happened years ago............
>>>>
>>>> There's been rumours of FSX11 coming later this
>>> year, I
>>>> guess you will be getting that going in another 7
>>> years
>>>> time, I'm reminded of the 2 Ronnies sketch where
>>> they did
>>>> Mastermind, with the answers lagging one behind
>> the
>>> questions!
>>>>
>>>> Frank T.
>>>>
>>>> At 00:16 10/08/2011, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Digging through the box of DVD's I have for FS
>>> reveals quite
>>>> a few scenery disks and my suspicion is that many
>>> can go
>>>> straight in the skip. Before I do so can I check
>>> that I'm
>>>> not throwing away the wrong boxes?
>>>>
>>>> First is the four box set of Visual Flight photo
>>> scenery -
>>>> John's original release. I assume this was
>> replaced
>>> or
>>>> improved by Horizon GenX and that it isn't worth
>>> installing.
>>>>
>>>> Next is the Horizon scenery but it is puzzling me.
>> I
>>> seem to
>>>> have the original GenX three disk set but the
>> boxes
>>> say this
>>>> is for FSX only. I also have the GenX V.2 disk set
>>> which
>>>> claims it is compatible with FS2004 as well as
>> FSX.
>>> If the
>>>> latter is true then I see no reason the install
>> the
>>> original
>>>> set and should also throw the original GenX DVD's
>>> away too.
>>>>
>>>> Is this correct or are there any solid reasons for
>>>> installing the Visual Flight scenery again or the
>>> Generation
>>>> X V.1 scenery?
>>>>
>>>> As to flight sim itself I presume there isn't any
>>> problem
>>>> installing FS2004 and then FSX -or would it be
>>> better doing
>>>> it the other way round? I seem to recall the FSX
>>> install was
>>>> reported to mess up any FS2004 links..
>>>>
>>>> bones
>>>>
>>>> bones@xxxxxxx
>>>> http://woodair.net<http://woodair.net/>
>>>>
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