Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
- From: Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:35:31 +0200
Alrighty.
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:32 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cool. I'll be there around 7:30 or so.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Yup. Anytime after 7pm is fine.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:26 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> SAP, we still jamming? What time?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait until you see the wavedashing *lol*
>>>>
>>>> I didn't even know that was possible :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> *lol*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That Lumi combo is so legit !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 18:06, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks dude !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5 February 2014 16:31, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the DBZ vids are up :) Hope you guys enjoy reliving the hype
>>>>>>>> *lol*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reading in the Barb thread and some guy has made a pure thorns
>>>>>>>>> Barb. The point was to see if he could kill opponents without
>>>>>>>>> pressing a
>>>>>>>>> single button - combo of thorns + life regen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He tested the barb against Diablo in MP0. It took half an hour for
>>>>>>>>> Diablo to die, but it worked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:48 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who needs GTA when you have Goat Simulator!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTQglGvNUs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://myanimelist.net/anime/10456/Kyoukaisenjou_no_Horizon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some guy on one of my forums recommended it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think I'm going to delete that Unbreakable Machine thing. The
>>>>>>>>> complete lack of originality grates.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Horizon does not ring a bell...
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:37:13 +0000
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, since games overtook movies as the biggest media profit
>>>>>>>>> area, the situation was bound to change.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Paas, do you have Horizon lying around? I mean the anime
>>>>>>>>> series.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:32 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When cost to produce games increased exponentially but game prices
>>>>>>>>> stay essentially the same for over a decade... people start getting
>>>>>>>>> creative :P
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In short
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Money happened
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:23:13 +0200
>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > What ever happened to just releasing a game?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On 05/02/2014, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > > Hahaha
>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>> > > On 05/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> I understand that it's not a full game. I'm sure USD30 is a
>>>>>>>>> real bargain
>>>>>>>>> > >> for
>>>>>>>>> > >> a 5min speedrun game.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Maybe if you pre-order it you get a free picture of Kojima
>>>>>>>>> pulling the
>>>>>>>>> > >> story
>>>>>>>>> > >> out of his ass.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>> > >> On
>>>>>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 3:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Well wasnt going to be a "big" demo from the start?
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Kinda like the ship segment from MGS2. Cant remember it ever
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> > >> advertised as a proper game.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Thats how I understood it from the start...
>>>>>>>>> > >> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:32 +0000
>>>>>>>>> > >> Lol, 5min for a speedrun. No doubt 4 of those 5 minutes are
>>>>>>>>> spend hiding.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Two hours of game, with 5minutes of actual gameplay. Yup,
>>>>>>>>> sounds like
>>>>>>>>> > >> MGS...
>>>>>>>>> > >> Hopefully they will have a heavy pseudo-intellectual
>>>>>>>>> storyline to go
>>>>>>>>> > >> along
>>>>>>>>> > >> with it.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 2:50 PM
>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Disappointment of the week
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/05/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-is-only-2-hours-long-4291338/
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Wow, someone released the Art of Fighting source code
>>>>>>>>> (without assets, of
>>>>>>>>> > >> course)
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> https://app.box.com/s/5on2e593tqt2c8ketc68
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Watched it live. It will be on their YouTube channel in the
>>>>>>>>> next day or
>>>>>>>>> > >> so.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Link -_-
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido? Highest level of
>>>>>>>>> Akuma play
>>>>>>>>> > >> I've
>>>>>>>>> > >> seen. SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding on fast
>>>>>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>>> > >> situational awareness. In one situation Tokido did a combo
>>>>>>>>> into reset
>>>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>>>> > >> which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP. He did
>>>>>>>>> this because
>>>>>>>>> > >> he
>>>>>>>>> > >> was calculating the stun values in his head. Infiltration
>>>>>>>>> went for the
>>>>>>>>> > >> DP,
>>>>>>>>> > >> it traded and Tokido got the dizzy. So pro.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible nightmare.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >> [
>>>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3e>
>>>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
>>>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> Go back to sleep.
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Did someone say SFxT ?
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B
>>>>>>>>> > >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>>> > >> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
>>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>>> > >> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>> Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did not get
>>>>>>>>> copy i had
>>>>>>>>> > >>> sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was gears of
>>>>>>>>> war player
>>>>>>>>> > >>> now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and friendly
>>>>>>>>> .i had a
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got xbox and
>>>>>>>>> ps3 and will
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most platforms c
>>>>>>>>> what games r
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> famous 2 play.train.and thn c it sound interesting.ill try
>>>>>>>>> 2 come 2
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I remember playing you on GGPO. My user name is ilitirit
>>>>>>>>> but I don't
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> play
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work. We play on
>>>>>>>>> SupArc now.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> It's
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a lobby if
>>>>>>>>> you want to.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in
>>>>>>>>> Bellville?
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i smashed many
>>>>>>>>> ggpo kof
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> 2002
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried all
>>>>>>>>> cheats 2 no
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> profit
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other platforms.smash
>>>>>>>>> or b
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it was me?
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital, this
>>>>>>>>> man is about
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > heart-attack.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > <
>>>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM of
>>>>>>>>> Telkom
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Claremont.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security...
>>>>>>>>> *facepalm*.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B"
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are priced
>>>>>>>>> subjectively...
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> See
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction
>>>>>>>>> hypothesis, or
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> google
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so'
>>>>>>>>> applicable example.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me the
>>>>>>>>> title of the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> article
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used within
>>>>>>>>> the Hedge
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Fund
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as can be
>>>>>>>>> seen in the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> quant
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've made
>>>>>>>>> R1 turn into
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> R500,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right time).
>>>>>>>>> Testing for
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> adaption
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> here
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years of
>>>>>>>>> work. HFs is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue. :-) I
>>>>>>>>> corrected
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental analysis,
>>>>>>>>> they'd
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implement
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> like,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which maybe 4
>>>>>>>>> or 5 have any
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> statical
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers went to
>>>>>>>>> the extent of
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit" first...
>>>>>>>>> which is akin
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are finding the
>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> variables
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> fit
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the algorithm.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained using
>>>>>>>>> a data-base
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> first,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects the
>>>>>>>>> variables and
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> ANN
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the
>>>>>>>>> computer decide
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I think
>>>>>>>>> so.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to get
>>>>>>>>> garbage out,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines, so yeah,
>>>>>>>>> people have
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> used
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA's
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you program
>>>>>>>>> it and I
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> would
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn
>>>>>>>>> differently, just
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> as
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> we
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> do.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when there
>>>>>>>>> are economic
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> shocks,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock prices
>>>>>>>>> will adjust
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> accordingly
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than usual,
>>>>>>>>> they won't
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> be
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I can't
>>>>>>>>> always wait
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make money.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> As you've said, I don't want to match the market at
>>>>>>>>> all, else
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> go
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that the
>>>>>>>>> market values
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> at
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often than
>>>>>>>>> not.If I had
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> basic
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on
>>>>>>>>> whether a stock
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> falls
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to earn
>>>>>>>>> money, I'd be
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> @GB
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against the stock
>>>>>>>>> market. It
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most of
>>>>>>>>> these funds are
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of GAs
>>>>>>>>> though). Was
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> paper
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone? It answers a lot of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> had.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way before
>>>>>>>>> the data is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> run
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> live
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> data. Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer from
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> "over-fitting",
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned. They try to adjust to
>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result. However, most
>>>>>>>>> GAs don't
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result, so they
>>>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> miserably
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data. The best they
>>>>>>>>> can do is
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription. The link
>>>>>>>>> should be at
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages. Give me his
>>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> address.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey kiviets
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>> lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> lol,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i added
>>>>>>>>> Hilton
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their cellphones
>>>>>>>>> where I can
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> em,
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start uploading
>>>>>>>>> soon :)
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this because
>>>>>>>>> LB knows
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
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