Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi

  • From: Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:30:02 +0200

Yup. Anytime after 7pm is fine.


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:26 PM, G B <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> SAP, we still jamming? What time?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Wait until you see the wavedashing *lol*
>>
>> I didn't even know that was possible :)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> *lol*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> That Lumi combo is so legit !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5 February 2014 18:06, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks dude !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5 February 2014 16:31, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All the DBZ vids are up :) Hope you guys enjoy reliving the hype *lol*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Reading in the Barb thread and some guy has made a pure thorns
>>>>>>> Barb. The point was to see if he could kill opponents without pressing a
>>>>>>> single button - combo of thorns + life regen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He tested the barb against Diablo in MP0. It took half an hour for
>>>>>>> Diablo to die, but it worked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:48 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who needs GTA when you have Goat Simulator!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgTQglGvNUs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  http://myanimelist.net/anime/10456/Kyoukaisenjou_no_Horizon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some guy on one of my forums recommended it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I'm going to delete that Unbreakable Machine thing. The
>>>>>>> complete lack of originality grates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:39 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Horizon does not ring a bell...
>>>>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:37:13 +0000
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, since games overtook movies as the biggest media profit area,
>>>>>>> the situation was bound to change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Paas, do you have Horizon lying around? I mean the anime series.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>> *Sent:* 05 February 2014 3:32 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When cost to produce games increased exponentially but game prices
>>>>>>> stay essentially the same for over a decade...  people start getting
>>>>>>> creative :P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In short
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Money happened
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:23:13 +0200
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>> > From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > What ever happened to just releasing a game?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On 05/02/2014, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > Hahaha
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > On 05/02/2014, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> I understand that it's not a full game. I'm sure USD30 is a
>>>>>>> real bargain
>>>>>>> > >> for
>>>>>>> > >> a 5min speedrun game.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> Maybe if you pre-order it you get a free picture of Kojima
>>>>>>> pulling the
>>>>>>> > >> story
>>>>>>> > >> out of his ass.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> From: cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>> > >> On
>>>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 3:10 PM
>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> Well wasnt going to be a "big" demo from the start?
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> Kinda like the ship segment from MGS2. Cant remember it ever
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> > >> advertised as a proper game.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> Thats how I understood it from the start...
>>>>>>> > >> ________________________________
>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >> Subject: RE: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>> > >> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:04:32 +0000
>>>>>>> > >> Lol, 5min for a speedrun. No doubt 4 of those 5 minutes are
>>>>>>> spend hiding.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> Two hours of game, with 5minutes of actual gameplay. Yup,
>>>>>>> sounds like
>>>>>>> > >> MGS...
>>>>>>> > >> Hopefully they will have a heavy pseudo-intellectual storyline
>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>> > >> along
>>>>>>> > >> with it.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >> [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 2:50 PM
>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> Disappointment of the week
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/05/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-is-only-2-hours-long-4291338/
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> Wow, someone released the Art of Fighting source code (without
>>>>>>> assets, of
>>>>>>> > >> course)
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> https://app.box.com/s/5on2e593tqt2c8ketc68
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> Watched it live. It will be on their YouTube channel in the
>>>>>>> next day or
>>>>>>> > >> so.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9yHaajDKNc
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>> > >> <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> Link -_-
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>> > >> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> Did anyone watch Infiltration vs Tokido? Highest level of Akuma
>>>>>>> play
>>>>>>> > >> I've
>>>>>>> > >> seen. SFIV is relatively slow but it's so demanding on fast
>>>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>> > >> situational awareness. In one situation Tokido did a combo into
>>>>>>> reset
>>>>>>> > >> and
>>>>>>> > >> which he knew would trade if Infiltration did a DP. He did this
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> > >> he
>>>>>>> > >> was calculating the stun values in his head. Infiltration went
>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>> > >> DP,
>>>>>>> > >> it traded and Tokido got the dizzy. So pro.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair
>>>>>>> > >> <
>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> Sounds like he was having a pretty horrible nightmare.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> From:
>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >> [
>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%3e>
>>>>>>> ]
>>>>>>> > >> On Behalf Of Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>> > >> Sent: 05 February 2014 1:11 PM
>>>>>>> > >> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> Go back to sleep.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>> > >> <theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> Did someone say SFxT ?
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM, G B
>>>>>>> > >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> Gamernet House, 45 Salisbury Road, Cape Town, ZA
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>> > >> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> Let me know were as it is my 1st time
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> > >> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>> Reason y i have xbox and ps3 was 4 kof 13 but i did not get
>>>>>>> copy i had
>>>>>>> > >>> sfxt found 1 sa player further no1.that's y i was gears of war
>>>>>>> player
>>>>>>> > >>> now im stuck on ggpo 4 competition toying around.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>> On 2/5/14, Jack Steel <
>>>>>>> orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>> Im gonna start of slow c im new 2 group im sa and friendly .i
>>>>>>> had a
>>>>>>> > >>>> copy of kof 12 but i need a copy of kof 13 i got xbox and ps3
>>>>>>> and will
>>>>>>> > >>>> soon upgrade graphic card 4 pc. To cover most platforms c
>>>>>>> what games r
>>>>>>> > >>>> famous 2 play.train.and thn c it sound interesting.ill try 2
>>>>>>> come 2
>>>>>>> > >>>> belville 2 get use 2 the flow.
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>> On 2/5/14, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>> > >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> > >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>> I remember playing you on GGPO. My user name is ilitirit but
>>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>>> > >>>>> play
>>>>>>> > >>>>> on there any more cos my GGPO doesn't work. We play on
>>>>>>> SupArc now.
>>>>>>> > >>>>> It's
>>>>>>> > >>>>> like GGPO but you can play against 3 people in a lobby if
>>>>>>> you want to.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>> Are you going to come to the Saturday sessions in Bellville?
>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Jack Steel
>>>>>>> > >>>>> <orichih@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:orichih@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> My ggpo user is goku1up- and finalfighter i smashed many
>>>>>>> ggpo kof
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> 2002
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> players avk team sa and other locals they tried all cheats
>>>>>>> 2 no
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> profit
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> i hope to get smashed in kof13 and other platforms.smash or
>>>>>>> b
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> smashed"d.^_^;)
>>>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2/3/14, Nicholas Robertson-Muir
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > I wonder if they would have done the same if it was me?
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > Or would they be all like... call the hospital, this man
>>>>>>> is about
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > to
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > heart-attack.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Sean Carrington
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > <
>>>>>>> theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:theseancarrington@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I think I'm troubled.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I might have cursed one too many times at the GM of
>>>>>>> Telkom
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Claremont.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> I was escorted out of the mall by security... *facepalm*.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On 03 Feb 2014 4:02 PM, "G B"
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> "subjective prices" - I mean that they are priced
>>>>>>> subjectively...
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> See
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> DeBont and Thaler (1985)'s classic overreaction
>>>>>>> hypothesis, or
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> google
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> anything on herding, as a basic yet 'oh so' applicable
>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:52 PM, G B
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> <sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sigma.g19@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Never heard of Peter Stone. Can you send me the title
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> article
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> or
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the pdf? I'd love to read it.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> The reason why its frequently mentioned/used within
>>>>>>> the Hedge
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Fund
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> industry is due to how rapidly HFs change, as can be
>>>>>>> seen in the
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> quant
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> meltdown of 2007 (In three days, you could've made R1
>>>>>>> turn into
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> R500,
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> if
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> you were at the right place at the right time).
>>>>>>> Testing for
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> adaption
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> here
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is extremely interesting, and saves you years of work.
>>>>>>> HFs is
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> canary in the coal mine in world of finance.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You are spot on with the over-fitting issue. :-) I
>>>>>>> corrected
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> this
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> when
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implemented mine. When using fundamental analysis,
>>>>>>> they'd
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> implement
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> like,
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> 15 different fundamental metrics, of which maybe 4 or
>>>>>>> 5 have any
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> statical
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> significance. In fact, certain researchers went to the
>>>>>>> extent of
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> running
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA to select the variables for "best-fit" first...
>>>>>>> which is akin
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> data-mining in the sense that they are finding the best
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> variables
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> fit
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> with the given data BEFORE running the algorithm.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> And yes, the evolutionary algorithm is trained using a
>>>>>>> data-base
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> first,
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before it goes live. Typically, the GA selects the
>>>>>>> variables and
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> ANN
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what does all the decision making. Having the computer
>>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> what
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> should do for both is unwise, or at least, I think so.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> Like I said, you put garbage in, you going to get
>>>>>>> garbage out,
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> that
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> how it works with these black box machines, so yeah,
>>>>>>> people have
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> used
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> GA's
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> before, but like we both mentioned, how you program it
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> would
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> is
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> totally different, which means it would learn
>>>>>>> differently, just
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> as
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> we
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> do.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> You also mentioned "Buy-Low/Sell-High" when there are
>>>>>>> economic
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> shocks,
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> which is a great strategy, sure, but stock prices will
>>>>>>> adjust
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> accordingly
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> anyway, so while they may be cheaper than usual, they
>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> be
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> mispriced, which is what I'm interested in. I can't
>>>>>>> always wait
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> some
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> kind of external economic movement to make money.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> As you've said, I don't want to match the market at
>>>>>>> all, else
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> I'd
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> go
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> passive. Stocks are priced at the value that the
>>>>>>> market values
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> at
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> and
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> those are often subjective prices, more often than
>>>>>>> not.If I had
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> basic
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> program to initiate buy/sell commands based on whether
>>>>>>> a stock
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> falls
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> below/above a certain price and expect it to earn
>>>>>>> money, I'd be
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> a
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> billionaire by now.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> @GB
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I did some reading up on using GA against the stock
>>>>>>> market. It
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> some Hedge Funds use them already, but most of these
>>>>>>> funds are
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> already
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> defunct (probably not because of the use of GAs
>>>>>>> though). Was
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> that
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> paper
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> you mentioned by Peter Stone? It answers a lot of the
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> questions
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> I
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> had.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> It
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> seems the evolution of the ANN happens way before the
>>>>>>> data is
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> run
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> on
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> live
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> data. Stock Market GAs also tend to suffer from
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> "over-fitting",
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> which
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> is
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> something I also mentioned. They try to adjust to past
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> performance
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> in
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> order to generate an expected result. However, most
>>>>>>> GAs don't
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> take
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> into
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> account random fluctuations in the result, so they
>>>>>>> fail
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> miserably
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> when
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> they
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try to derive patterns from the data. The best they
>>>>>>> can do is
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> try
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> to
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> match the curve, which of course is very bad.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>>wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> He needs to confirm the subscription. The link
>>>>>>> should be at
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> bottom of any of the admins' messages. Give me his
>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> address.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, lindsey kiviets
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> <lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:lindseyak@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> lol,
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> @ilitrit , gimme th fgc link again please.i added
>>>>>>> Hilton
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> it seems he is not added to the mails.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:59:14 +0200
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CPT-FGC] Re: Hi
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>> ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> *lol* Guys will just have to put their cellphones
>>>>>>> where I can
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> em,
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> or else :P Scumbaggery at it's finest :P
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm busy editing the vids. Will start uploading
>>>>>>> soon :)
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ashraf Barendse <
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> The first rule of Random FG club is...
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gohan is a charge character. I know this because LB
>>>>>>> knows
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> provides no services to clients. Each member firm of KPMG International 
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