I am not saying a person should sit in the corner and whine, but just because a person is quietly going about his day doesn't mean he is doing that at all.
At 11:54 PM 3/20/2007, David Tanner wrote:
Guess what! I get judged every day on whether I am advocating for my clients. And if I'm not I often hear about it most from the client who isn't willing to do anything for themselves, but believe that everybody owes them, and they should just set back and let somebody advocate for them.Well, I found out a long time ago that if a blind person really wants something then they had better be willing to do more than set in the corner and whine.----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Licht" <slicht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: [bookport] Re: In defense of Double Talk : Not everyone is called to be an activist. Some do their best work : moving behind the scenes. Don't ever judge a guy, especially when : you don't know what is on his plate. Someone just might judge you... : or me, and neither you or I would like that. : : At 08:48 PM 3/19/2007, David Tanner wrote: : >Well, then maybe he should be the one Canadian that starts doing : >something about starting a Canadian version of Bookshare. Instead : >of complaining he ought to do something about it. I bet if he gave : >it a shot he might be surprised how many people might be willing to : >pitch in and help. He is on quite a few mailinglists. He ought to : >write a message on each mailinglist he is on asking for help from : >others in his country to get the ball rolling. : > : > : > : >----- Original Message ----- : >From: "Sandy Licht" <slicht@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> : >To: <bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> : >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:05 AM : >Subject: [bookport] Re: In defense of Double Talk : > : > : >: How would Bruce know that? He is just one Canadian, after all. : >: : >: At 09:32 AM 3/16/2007, William Stephan wrote: : >: >If that's the Case Bruce, why haven't you Canadians developped a : >: >service similar to Bookshare for yourselves? : >: > : >: > : >: >-----Original Message----- : >: >.From: "Bruce Toews"<DogRiver@xxxxxxxx> : >: >.Sent: 3/15/07 4:17:28 PM : >: >.To: "bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"<bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> : >: >.Subject: [bookport] Re: In defense of Double Talk : >: >.: >: >.It's not that simple. Canada does have similar provisions in its copyright: >: >.laws. : >: >. : >: >.Bruce : >: >. : >: >.-- : >: >.Bruce Toews : >: >.Skype ID: o.canada : >: >.E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: DogRiver@xxxxxxxx : >: >.LiveJournal: http://brucetola.livejournal.com : >: >.Radio Show and Podcast: http://www.totw.net: >: >.Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net: >: >.Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com : >: >. : >: >.On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, William Stephan wrote: : >: >. : >: >.> Bookshare exists because of a provision in US copyright law. I : >: >guess if other nations built that sort of language into their : >: >copyright laws, Bookshare or a similar entity would be able to : >: >operate for the benefit of their citizens. : >: >.> : >: >.> -----Original Message----- : >: >.> .From: "Richard Ring"<richard.ring@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> : >: >.> .Sent: 3/15/07 2:17:15 PM : >: >.> .To: "bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"<bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> : >: >.> .Subject: [bookport] Re: In defense of Double Talk : >: >.> .: >: >.> .I completely agree with you, but I think it's going to have to be the : >: >.> .result of some kind of International Copyright agreement. (more stupid: >: >.> .politics) : >: >.> . : >: >.> . : >: >.> .-----Original Message----- : >: >.> .From: bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : >: >.> .[mailto:bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews : >: >.> .Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:28 PM : >: >.> .To: bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : >: >.> .Subject: [bookport] Re: In defense of Double Talk : >: >.> . : >: >.> .All we need to do now is get Book Share available to : >non-Americans so we : >: >.> .can all read instead of being barred by politics. : >: >.> . : >: >.> .Bruce : >: >.> .On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:15:47 -0400, "Fred Wurtzel" : >: >.> .<f.wurtzel@xxxxxxxxxxx> said: : >: >.> .> Hello, : >: >.> .>: >: >.> .> I, also have a similar history. I started with a Texas Instruments: >: >.> .> TI-994a: >: >.> .> computer with speech then went to an Apple II plus. What we have now: >: >.> .is : >: >.> .> amazing and a blessing. The computer and Bookport along with : >: >.> .Bookshare : >: >.> .> is: >: >.> .> an unbelievable combination to provide access to printed material. I: >: >.> .> can't: >: >.> .> imagine what a difference this would have made for me in college in: >: >.> .the : >: >.> .> early 70's just after the invention of the cassette tape. : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> -----Original Message----- : >: >.> .> From: bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : >: >.> .> [mailto:bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] : >: >.> .> On Behalf Of Cy Selfridge : >: >.> .> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:50 PM : >: >.> .> To: bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : >: >.> .> Subject: [bookport] Re: In defense of Double Talk : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> Hi folks, : >: >.> .> Well, I gues I'll throw in my couple of cents worth here. : >: >.> .> I concur with William and Crystal as I also have been around this : >: >.> .> synthetic : >: >.> .> speech game for a considerable amount of years.: >: >.> .> A long time ago about the only thing which talked was some of the DEC : >: >.> .> terminals which would hook up to some IBM mainframes. They did have: >: >.> .very : >: >.> .> good speech with a German accent and they also cost around $8,000. : >: >.> .> My wife and I were elated to find the Voltrax Type and Talk : >: >.> .synthesizer : >: >.> .> for: >: >.> .> the old Apple II+ because it was only $350 or so. While it was *very*: >: >.> .> limited it was better than nothing.: >: >.> .> Next I migrated up to an IBM compatible micro which was, I think, a: >: >.> .286 : >: >.> .> processor with a fantastic speed of about 4Khz. : >: >.> .> On this wonderful piece of equipment I had a Symphonics 215 speech : >: >.> .board : >: >.> .> and: >: >.> .> it was, at best, miserable but it also was a lot better than nothing. : >: >.> .> What we have today with Eloquence, Double and Triple Talk along with: >: >.> .the : >: >.> .> SAPI voicesis a true blessing.: >: >.> .> I use the USB Triple Talk on my 3GHZ XP Home computer because I can: >: >.> .> listen: >: >.> .> to JAWS and music independently of each other. When I request a "Read: >: >.> .> All" : >: >.> .> command I get the new SAPI voice through the computer's : >speakers. Now, : >: >.> .> how : >: >.> .> can you complain about this? : >: >.> .> Cy, the Ancient Okie... : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> -----Original Message----- : >: >.> .> From: bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : >: >.> .> [mailto:bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] : >: >.> .> On Behalf Of William Stephan : >: >.> .> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:34 PM : >: >.> .> To: bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx : >: >.> .> Subject: [bookport] Re: In defense of Double Talk : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> Crystal's right! : >: >.> .>: >: >.> .> Some of us who've been doing this for a while can still remember when : >: >.> .> synthetic speech sounded about like someone reading through a kazoo.: >: >.> .>: >: >.> .> Since folks can apparently designate whatever speech engine they want: >: >.> .to : >: >.> .> use : >: >.> .> on a file-by-file basis, I'm not sure why which synthesizer : >is used is : >: >.> .> particularly significant in any case. : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> -----Original Message----- : >: >.> .> .From: "Crystal French"<raincrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> : >: >.> .> .Sent: 3/15/07 9:25:01 AM : >: >.> .> .To: "bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"<bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> : >: >.> .> .Subject: [bookport] In defense of Double Talk .: >: >.> .> .For my two cents, I have no problem with Eloquence, or Double Talk.: >: >.> .> . : >: >.> .> .I have lived enough years to remember only too well a time when : >: >.> .access : >: >.> .> to : >: >.> .> .printed material was very limited. : >: >.> .> . : >: >.> .> .So, Eloquence and Double Talk sound like normal people to me. : >: >.> .> .: >: >.> .> .In fact, Perfect Paul and I have a very nice relationship, thank you: >: >.> .> very : >: >.> .> .much, and I am happy to hear that he will be continued in BP II. : >: >.> .> . : >: >.> .> .Crystal : >: >.> .> . : >: >.> .> . : >: >.> .> . : >: >.> .> . : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> -- : >: >.> .> No virus found in this incoming message. : >: >.> .> Checked by AVG Free Edition. : >: >.> .> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: : >: >.> .> 3/15/2007 : >: >.> .> 11:27 AM : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> -- : >: >.> .> No virus found in this outgoing message. : >: >.> .> Checked by AVG Free Edition. : >: >.> .> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: : >: >.> .> 3/15/2007 : >: >.> .> 11:27 AM : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> -- : >: >.> .> No virus found in this incoming message. : >: >.> .> Checked by AVG Free Edition. : >: >.> .> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: : >: >.> .> 3/15/2007 : >: >.> .> 11:27 AM : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> : >: >.> .> : >: >.> . : >: >.> .-- : >: >.> .Bruce Toews : >: >.> .E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: dogriver@xxxxxxxx : >: >.> .Website: http://www.ogts.net : >: >.> .Radio Show and Podcast: http://www.totw.net : >: >.> .Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com : >: >.> . : >: >.> . : >: >.> . : >: >.> : >: >.> : >: >.> : >: >. : >: >. : >: > : >: > : >: > : >: >-- : >: >No virus found in this incoming message. : >: >Checked by AVG Free Edition. : >: >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/723 - Release Date: : >: >3/15/2007 11:27 AM : >: : >: Sandy Licht : >: : >: Jeremiah 29:11 - 14 A . : >: 11 For I know the plans I have for you," says the Lord. "They are : >: plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope. : >: 12 In those days when you pray, I will listen. 13 If you look for me : >: in earnest, you will find me when you seek me. 14 I will be found by : >: you," says the Lord. : >: : >: : >: : >: : >: -- : >: No virus found in this incoming message. : >: Checked by AVG Free Edition. : >: Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: : >3/18/2007 3:34 PM : >: : >: : > : > : >-- : >No virus found in this incoming message. : >Checked by AVG Free Edition. : >Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: : >3/18/2007 3:34 PM : : Sandy Licht : : Jeremiah 29:11 - 14 A . : 11 For I know the plans I have for you," says the Lord. "They are : plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope. : 12 In those days when you pray, I will listen. 13 If you look for me : in earnest, you will find me when you seek me. 14 I will be found by : you," says the Lord. : : : : : -- : No virus found in this incoming message. : Checked by AVG Free Edition.: Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: 3/18/2007 3:34 PM: : -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: 3/21/2007 7:52 AM
Sandy Licht Jeremiah 29:11 - 14 A .11 For I know the plans I have for you," says the Lord. "They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope. 12 In those days when you pray, I will listen. 13 If you look for me in earnest, you will find me when you seek me. 14 I will be found by you," says the Lord.
