[access-uk] Re: Accessible bank card
- From: <Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 10:53:12 +0000
Hi,
Why would it never happen? We once thought it would never happen with cash
machines.
Best,
Clive
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
lsmithso@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 03 March 2015 22:15
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible bank card
One would hope you could trust a bank more than a shop keeper. These days
though...
Derek Hornby writes:
> Trust, is the name of the game, trust.
>
> What if you go to the bank wanting say £100 > If the counter staff fill
> in your withdrawal slip for £120 > then hand you £100 and pocket £20
> > > Very easy to take advantage of the blind.
>
> Derek
>
> Derek
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf
> Of lsmithso@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:49 PM > To:
> access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible bank card >
> > > My biggest problem with any of these terminals is how do you know what
> > your card is being charged, when you can't read the display? At least >
> with cash you know what you hand over and what change you get back.
>
> I guess payment terminals would need to be equipped with TTS. It will >
> never happen.
>
>
> Derek Hornby writes:
> > Yes, I think sometimes, some people don't like change.
> >
> > For example why is there chip and signature?
> >
> > Surely if one is able to use a mobile they should be able to > use
> > > chip and PIN > > > > The only problem with chip and PIN is, in
> my view, > > the key pad design can vary.
> >
> > Derek
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >
> Behalf Of lsmithso@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:19
> PM > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [access-uk] Re:
> Accessible bank card > > > > > > And for balance:
> >
> >
> http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/saving/article-2328578/How-safe-new
> > -contactless-bank-cards.html
> >
> >
> http://www.which.co.uk/money/credit-cards-and-loans/guides/contactless
> > -cards/
> >
> >
> http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/analysis/2327179/contactless-payments-a
> > re-we-sacrificing-security-for-convenience
> >
> >
> > Interestingly, you are responsible for the first £50 of losses due > to
> > > fraud (is that standard for any kind of card), and contactless > >
> terminals ask for a PIN after every six or so transactions.
> >
> >
> > Derek Hornby writes: > Hi Barry > You may find this link of > >
> interest:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://ask-leo.com/can_my_credit_card_information_be_read_remotely.htm
> > > l
> > >
> > > it's about reading credit cards remotely > > > > > > Derek >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On > >
> > Behalf Of Barry Hill > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:41 PM > >
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible
> bank card > > > > > > Ah, thanks for that. Could someone else use
> their smart phone > to > > read > > > your > > > card if they got
> close enough, which isn't difficult with blind > > > people?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Barry
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On
> > > > Behalf Of > > > lsmithso@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Sent: Tuesday,
> March 03, 2015 4:51 PM > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible bank card > > > > > > > > > NFC
> = Near Field Communications = The technology used to read > > >
> contactless > > > smart cards, payment cards etc. I believe that the card
> number, > > expiry > > > date > > > etc can be easily read by a
> smart phone. Its then a simple step > to > > > read > > > those out
> loud using the 'phones TTS. It looks like contactless > > > versions of
> > > > credit/debit cards are available from a lot of banks, so this > may
> > > be > > > an > > > alternative to adding Braille to credit cards.
> > >
> > >
> > > Barry Hill writes: > What's
> > > an NFC app, please?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Barry
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On > > > Behalf > > > Of > lsmithso@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent:
> Tuesday, March 03, 2015 > > 10:13 > > > AM > > > > To:
> access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re:
> Accessible
> > > bank card
> > > > > > Can the card details be read from a contactless payment > >
> card > > > by a > > > NFC app on > a smart phone? Is there an app
> waiting to be > written > > > here?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > goshawk on horseback writes:
> > > > > just my personal point of view, but I think it would have > >
> been a > > > far > > > > better idea to work out ways around what is
> almost certainly > the > > > hardest > > > and > most frustrating
> thing with bank or credit cards, that of > > > accessing > > > the >
> details needed to actually use the card, such as card > > number, > > >
> start > > > and > expirey dates, and back security number, rather than
> > > prannying > > > around > > > with > all these fancy ideas that
> don't really do a lot to > improve > > > usability.
> > > > >
> > > > > Simon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Barry Hill
> > > > > To: angie.matthews@xxxxxxx
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:01 AM
> > > > > Subject: [access-uk] Accessible bank card
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RBS and NatWest launch accessible cards for partially
> > sighted
> > > and
> > > blind
> > > > customers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 19 February 2015
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In the UK alone there are over 2 million people living
> with
> > > sight
> > > loss
> > > > making lots of everyday tasks, including banking, difficult > and
> > > > frustrating.
> > > > Following feedback from a partially sighted customer, RBS and > >
> > NatWest > > > have > introduced a new accessible debit card.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > rnib card
> > > > >
> > > > > The new debit and savings cards feature braille, a notch
> to
> > > help
> > > > identify the card and a large print phone number.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RBS and NatWest are now launching new accessible debit
> and
> > > savings
> > > > cards which have been specifically designed for blind and > >
> partially > > > sighted > customers.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To address some of the common problems that blind and
> > > partially
> > > sighted
> > > > customers face, the cards will:
> > > > >
> > > > > .feature braille markings to identify which card is
> savings
> > > and
> > > which
> > > > card is debit
> > > > >
> > > > > .have a notch cut out on the right hand side of the card
> to
> > > help
> > > > customers insert their card into ATMs and PIN pads correctly > >
> > > >
> > > > > .show telephone numbers where they will be most clear
> > > > >
> > > > > .have large font on the back of the card to make the
> phone
> > > numbers
> > > > easier to read
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RBS and NatWest's new cards can initially help their
> 15,000
> > > customers
> > > > registered as blind or partially sighted. All other features > of
> > > the > > > card > > > > remain the same - this card can be used in
> ATMs, at point of > sale > > > and for > > > > Contactless
> transactions home or abroad. The cards can be > ordered > > in > > >
> all > > > RBS > and NatWest branches, online or through telephone
> banking > > and > > > will be > > > issued > within 48 hours.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the first banking product designed especially
> for
> > > blind and
> > > > partially sighted people. RBS has worked closely with the > Royal
> > > > National > > > > Institute of the Blind in the development of
> this card and in > > > recognition > > > of > this work the new debit
> and savings cards will be the > first > > > banking > > > products >
> to be awarded the new national quality assurance > mark > > > 'RNIB >
> > > approved'.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ross McEwan, CEO of RBS, said: "We want to be recognised
> as
> > a
> > > bank
> > > that
> > > > listens to its customers and responds to their issues. It's > >
> really > > > important > to me that we make banking as simple and easy
> as > > possible > > > for > > > all of our > customers and our
> accessible cards are another > step > > > towards us > > > earning
> back > the trust of the public."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Tyler, Head of Solutions, Strategy and Planning at
> > RNIB
> > > said,
> > > "We
> > > > are delighted to have worked with RBS on making savings and > >
> debit > > > cards > > > more > accessible. The very basic
> requirement of identifying > the > > > right > > > card and >
> quickly determining which way the card slots in to a > > > machine or >
> > > payment > system has been solved by this development. Simple as > it
> > > > is, > > > creating a card > with tactile indicators that
> identify the > card > > type > > > as > > > well as the way in >
> which it should be used, is an engineering > > > challenge, > > >
> particularly to ensure > that it doesn't disrupt machinery. We > > look
> > > > forward to working with RBS in > to the future and enhancing >
> even > > > more of > > > the daily payment challenges that > blind
> and partially sighted > > > customers > > > experience."
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