Off line, Charlie Moeller has thrown an interesting argument my way vis a vis the possibilities of computational consciousness (conscious computers). With his permission, I repost below his e-mail to me. Perhaps, if time permits and Sean doesn't forbid, I will subsequently post my initial reply to him and then, if he is still willing to discuss this in a public way, our subsequent debate: Points to Ponder From: "CMoel888@xxxxxxx" <CMoel888@xxxxxxx>Add to Contacts To: swmaerske@xxxxxxxxx; CMoel888@xxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart, I observe: 1. Computing is the method of applying or performing algorithms on static frames of data. 2. Consciousness and thinking are dynamic processes, of which computing has none. Given these self-evident truths, how do you propose to reconcile "consciousness in a computer?" Best regards, Charlie It was written in Wittrs digest 440: Ø The issue is how does the conscious performance of computation come about... Or, more simply, what are the conditions for becoming conscious. Agreed? The next question... > Is conscious computation (or any awareness of anything) a function of the purely physical processes? ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/