Thanks Antonio,
Yes, definitely! you can also view the feed from here :-)
//www.freelists.org/feed/tccrockets
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Antonio Lucero <alucero49@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
You can always change this email list to a forum base. Then all you have
to do is sticky the post that you want to keep.
Sent from my iPhone
Antonio Lucero
On Jul 14, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Ben Sandoval <yobenflstf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
One simple question, tons of great info from our members. Thank you guys
so much.
Sent from my Bad To The Bone iPhone "HQF"
On Jul 14, 2015, at 4:28 PM, James Dougherty <jafrado@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Great info guys!
Thank you
-James
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Chris Attebery <
chrisattebery1971@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Field Effect Transistor. It's the electronic switch that the altimeter
uses to fire the charges.
I'm an integrated circuit layout designer. I draw FETs all freaking day
long. LOL!
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Jimmy Franco <Aldocyber3@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Very informative Bob, thanks.
In reading some of the emails from the past few days proves we have a
great resource
in terms of the knowledge from the people on this chat list. Thanks to
all who has shared input.
Great timing from a personal standpoint to, as I have recently been
thinking about alternatives to
standard 9v batteries for use in my setups. Funny thing is the last
three flights I did had more electronics
in a single rocket than I have ever flown in any single flight, 6
different systems, and not one 9v was in the mix.
All the paring of battery to board was done for me on these systems, the
developer of each of the boards.
I have been thinking how to power my Ozark Aerospace and G-Wiz products,
now I have some good knowledge
to begin with.
pardon my ignorance- what is a FET and it’s purpose?
Thanks again
Jimmy F.
TRA 12524
*From:* Bob Feretich <bob.feretich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2015 12:58 PM
*To:* tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [tccrockets] Re: battery for stratologger CF
LiPo (Li-Ion) batteries have a much lower internal series resistance (a
few milliohms) than 9V alkaline batteries (about 1.5 Ohms). This means that
the LiPo can deliver much more current than an alkaline under short circuit
conditions. Popping e-matches is very close to short circuit conditions.
(An e-match is only about 1 Ohm.)
Most e-matches start at 1 Ohms and their resistance increases as the
Nichrome wire gets hot, and finally become an open circuit after they burn.
This process takes a small fraction of a second. But occasionally, they
become a short circuit after they burn.
Flight computers vary in how long they supply power to a pyro port. One
second is typical. This means The Flight Computer's power FETs may be
driving into a short circuit for a second. If the Flight Computer has no
circuit to limit pyro port current and used small power FETs that relied on
the high series resistance of 9V alkaline batteries, then its power FETs
will be stressed and may burn-out.
IMO not providing a circuit to limit pyro port current is poor design.
It means that the Flight Computer (although rated at 9V) will not work
properly when attached to a 9V non current limited power supply.
In case you have one of these Flight Computers, adding an external 4.7
Ohm resistor would protect your power FETs and still deliver 1.25A (the
recommended nominal firing current for JTEK e-matches) from an almost
depleted LiPo battery (7.4V).
A 15+ Watt resistor would tolerate the short circuited pyro output
indefinitely.
But, assuming the Flight computer turns off the pyro port after a
second, a much smaller 5 Watt resistor should work.
Regards,
Bob
On 7/14/2015 7:06 AM, Steve Sawyer wrote:
I agree with Bob, if you want to turn to later technologies, the 2S
LiPo is a very nice small package - just watch out for the FET rating for
firing the pyros. A 180mA LiPo with a 40C rating means that it can deliver
7.2A into a 1 Ohm pyro load (this exceeds the PerfectFlite 5A FET rating).
I've also had discussions with PerfectFlite - they are fairly clear
about recommending the 9V Alkaline batteries (9V NiMH can also be used from
Harbor Freight).
However, I'm using a 3S LiPo (Turnigy nano-tech 180mah 3S ~40C from
HobbyKing or Amazon). This is very small but as I mentioned, requires the
added series resistors on the outputs. The voltage regulator on the
PerfectFlite will allow operation from either a 3S or 2S LiPo.
Steve
*From:* tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
*On Behalf Of *Bob Feretich
*Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2015 6:43 PM
*To:* tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [tccrockets] Re: battery for stratologger CF
7.4V LiPo (Li-Ion) will work in 95% of all 9V alkaline battery
electronics.
The rated voltages are confusing because that 9V alkaline battery
advertises its starting voltage and the 7.4V LiPo battery advertises its
discharged voltage.
Compare the discharge curves...
http://www.feretich.com/Rocketry/Resources/lipotests.html
http://www.feretich.com/Rocketry/Resources/Pdfs/7v%20Li-Po%20vs%209v%20Alkaline.pdf
Assuming your electronics draw 100 mA of current, the cross-over point
is at 30 minutes of use. After 30-minutes, the voltage of a 7.4 V LiPo is
greater than a fresh 9V Alkaline.
A fresh (newly manufactured) 9V alkaline battery starts at 9.25V, drops
to 9V after about 7 minutes of use (at 100 mA), and to 7.4V after about 2
hours. (If the battery has sat on the shelf for a while, it may start at
8.4V.) See the discharge curve at the provided link. One alkaline battery
was freshly manufactured the other had one month still remaining before its
expiration date.
A fully charged 7.4V LiPo starts at 8.4V and declines slowly to 7.4V.
Below 7.4V, the voltage on LiPo (and Li-Ion) batteries drops quickly.
Given that at the end of its rated life, a 9V alkaline battery is only
sourcing 7V, electronics designed correctly to use 9V alkaline batteries
will work fine with 7.4V LiPo batteries.
Regards,
Bob
On 7/13/2015 3:02 PM, Mike Hubble wrote:
Manual says standard 9v is all you need.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Peter Hackett <
peter.hackett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've always used a standard 9V alkali battery. Never had any battery
problems with it.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Steve Sawyer <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I've been using 180mah 3S 25~40C Lipos.
For the stratologger CF required protection of the FETs (i.e.,
short-circuit or 1 Ohm pyros), I use series 3 Ohm resistors on each output.
Lots of flights are possible.
Steve
*From:* tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Ben Sandoval
*Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2015 11:01 AM
*To:* TCC Chat
*Subject:* [tccrockets] battery for stratologger CF
Which battery are you using for your stratologger cf. I'm getting ready
to order a few batteries and I'm still on the fence. Appreciate your input.
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