[roc-chat] Re: Separate LPR area at ROCtober
- From: "Ron McGough" <rrmagoo7@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:16:58 -0700
Richard,
The RSO is the one position with the authority to actually shut down the
range. That is why they are called the Range Safety Officer. It is their
duty to make "CERTAIN" that any rocket that flies is as safe as possible and
it is not their duty to launch rockets or watch them fly.
Call me for more info,
Ron McGough
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From: "Richard Dierking" <richard.dierking@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:33 PM
Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Separate LPR area at ROCtober
The RSO and PM should be faced toward the range just like the LCO. The
flight card board needs to be redone. There should always be a Spotter to
assist the LCO.
Richard
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On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:31 PM, David Erbas-White <derbas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On 6/26/2012 2:58 PM, Mike Riss wrote:
I'm not sure that waiting for 30 minutes is necessarily bad. It's surely
not optimum, but if
there are 45+ pads, and if almost every pad is occupied, that's something
less than 1 minute
processing time per pad.
Please note that I never said that every pad was occupied, simply that it
is very common to wait 30 minutes (or more!) for a launch. At ROCStock
last November, I had one rocket sitting on the pad for an hour and fifteen
minutes -- so I was being 'conservative' with the 30 minute comment. I
also tried to point out that if the banks of pads were actually CYCLED in
order, that much (if not all) of the problem would be alleviated - the
point being that a bank of pads is often overlooked for extended periods
of time. It's along the lines of (for example) all banks being launched
multiple times EXCEPT the rack that I'm on.
I do my best to NOT comment to the LCO or PM about overlooking banks of
pads, because I don't want to discourage folks from doing those jobs, and
those few times I have made comments it's generally not even been my
rocket on the pad (something along the lines of, "Hey, that purple rocket
on pad 24 has been sitting there for a while, hasn't it?").
I'll point out that sometimes a rocket is ignored when you have one or two
small, unpainted, almost invisible rockets on the middle pads -- and the
LCO isn't even aware that there are rockets sitting there waiting for
launch. In this situation, it's extremely important for the PM to ensure
that those cards are given to the LCO so they don't sit there forever.
I'm personally convinced that whatever system is implemented simply needs
to be one that 'reminds' the LCO/PM about cycling the pads in order --
that's what Rick's comment was about, what the 'Starbucks timer' method
was about, and my suggestion of a 'gizmo' that gets reset by the arming
signal. Bottom line is that (and I KNOW I'm guilty of this myself) the
LCO will tend to launch the rack that looks to be the fullest -- even if
another rack with fewer rockets has been waiting longer.
Just sitting here writing this I thought of another Rube Goldberg
method -- a flashing light at each bank. This light will be initiated by
a timer that is triggered by the first press of a continuity button on the
given bank, and will be reset by arming a row. Here's how it works --
assume an empty bank, no rockets. So, no flashing (ever). Someone comes
out, puts a rocket on a pad. They check continuity by pushing the button.
This starts a (for example) 10-minute timer. Second guy comes up five
minutes later, puts a rocket, presses the continuity button. This DOES
NOT reset the timer. Ten minutes after the first guy has put his rocket
on the pad, the flashing light out at the pads starts blinking (could be
duplicated at the control panel, as well). This tells one and all (LCO/PM
and rocketeers) that this bank is 'due for launch', and no more rockets
should be placed. The LCO arms the pad, which shuts off/resets the light,
he launches the bank, and the light remains off until the next rocket is
placed on the bank. If there are five banks with flashing lights, well,
then there are at least five banks that have had a rocket sitting for at
least ten minutes -- and the LCO should be launching those banks and
ignoring any non-flashing banks.
Over to you... <G>
David Erbas-White
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