Re: Indentation Griping...
- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:28:02 +0200
Well, this is the main reason I never liked VB too much although I've made a
few simple programs in VB when I was sighted.
Not even when I was sighted I didn't like VB too much, but I guess another
reason for not liking it is that it uses too many english words while python
might be a little better... I don't know.
Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:22 AM
Subject: RE: Indentation Griping...
> In terms of closing block information, VB.NET seems to be the
> friendliest. Rather than a change in indentation, a closing brace, or
> simply the word "end" like Ruby, VB uses End If, End Try, etc -- explicit
> and unambiguous.
>
> This analysis has led me to recommend one of two languages for a beginning
> blind programmer that is primarily coding his or her own projects:
> Visual Basic .NET or Python. VB is friendlier in terms of indentation,
> case sensitivity, consistent casing (the .NET Framework class library),
> and building stand-alone executables. Python is friendlier for finding
> and installing 3rd party packages and for its interactive testing
> environment, as well as for creating portable code to other platforms.
> Both have a "batteries included" approach in terms of extensive built-in
> functionality and a clean, English-like syntax.
>
> Jamal
>
>
> On Tue, 9
> Dec 2008, Ken Perry wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:27:29 -0500
>> From: Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: Indentation Griping...
>>
>>
>> Um I don't think we said we can do anything special one way or another
>> you're the one calling a big difference into it. For example I find braces
>> less accessible depending on who writes them for example and people who
>> write pearl code seem to be the worst at this if you don't count gawk
>> coders. Here is my example
>>
>>
>> If ((bla>bla) && 9(blab la)){
>> Bla blab la bla}
>>
>> Now this is not the worst case I have seen where the ending has like 4
>> braces and you have no idea which lines are closed by what and you have to
>> listen to the whole line to know that there is a opening brace and not just
>> a single statement.
>>
>> With indentation and a sound scheme or Braille you can quickly hear or see
>> what block of code goes with what and if there is actually a following
>> statement or if it's a single line if . Because if I arrow down and it goes
>> bing bong I know I have entered a body if it goes bing bing I know we are at
>> the same level and that if has a statement after it I didn't have to listen
>> to the whole line to find out there was a brace or not at the end.
>>
>> I can also quickly arrow down through 2 lines of code and if it goes bing
>> bing bing 20 times I know I am still in the same for loop. I didn't have to
>> listen to long lines of code to know this.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:43 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Indentation Griping...
>>
>> From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > Once I found a good method for absorbing it, I find indentation schema
>> > helpful for many the same reasons all programmers do. It helps to outline
>> > the structure and shape of the code being reviewed. That's no different
>> > for a blind programmer than for everyone. We just have to figure out a
>> > personally efficient way to keep tabs on what's being indented how far.
>> > But even when I'm working in a speech only environment, I appreciate what
>> > consistent indentation brings to code.
>>
>> Ok, then please tell me what consistent indentation brings to code for a
>> blind developer that you can't do if the blocks are started and ended with
>> braces.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Octavian
>>
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