Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included

  • From: Nimer <nimerjaber1@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:16:53 -0700

Ken,
I am just now switching over to Linux, and I really like its robustness. I am still learning the terminal commands though. How is the administrative interface accessed? I have read over tutorials about how to do it, and nothing has worked on my machine. I have created the orbitrc file, that did not work. I tried enabling the root account, but I am unable to log into it directly, only indirectly. When I launch Orca through the terminal as root, orca does not start. When I tri to run Orca normally, it comes up, but does not speak. It simply says: Welcome to Orca. When I go from window to window, I get the message "inaccessible". I want to switch to Linux, but I need to access basic settings under networking, software sources, synaptic package manager, etc.
Any advice, tips, tricks, etc would be greatfully received.

And, as for the accessibility of python, It was the first language I learned. I attempted to play with Java last year for a class, and frankly did not like it compared to Python. You get used to the indentation. What I like about it is that it is not very restrictive. You can run a short chunk of code. And, you do not have to look things up in such things as javadocs. You can call up a list of functions in a class.
Thanks
Nimer J

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Ken Perry wrote:
Ok I need to clear up my previous statement.  I said it was around the 3.3
jaws stage.  I meant that only in how easy it is to use.  The fact is orca
is already more powerful than Jaws 3.3 it is closer to jaws 4.5 which is
when it got useful in XP the problem is there are times when Orca will crash
and if you are not a geek some times its hard to get running.  It's also got
a bit harder to use interface because there is just so many options.  For
example if you run up orca in Ubuntu 8.04 and go into firefox and don't know
that you have to do insert f-12 and change it to orca bindings you will find
that firefox is a bit clugy.  If you do know to switch it you will find that
firefox works better than with Jaws.  You will also find that the Pigeon
communication client is harder to use than that of Aim, msn, and or skype
but  if you learn to use it you will find it is more powerful and covers a
lot more messaging protocols.  You will also find that Open office actually
runs good with Orca where it just runs with Jaws.  The one thing they have
to do in Linux is get a OCR program without an OCR program that works good
it just is not worth it I can't scan books or bills or nothing and the free
ocr program google has right now is not ready for prime time but that could
change rapidly so I am always hoping.

So when I say it's at the jaws 3.3 range I should say in interface and ease
to learn and use.  When it comes to power its better than 3.3 but it's still
not up to Windows eyes 7 or Jaws 7 or system access standards yet but it is
getting there fast.

I haven't tried the sun java developer but I hear its fully accessible with
Orca and if that's true that's really cool so I will give that a shot next
time I get one of those rare free moments.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:41 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included

Well that's not good news. :-(
I've started to use Jaws from the version 3.6 or 3.8 or something like that,

and if you say that Orca compares with Jaws 3.3, it means that it is even
less advanced than what I thought.

But OpenSolaris isn't Unix? It is just another distribution of Linux?

In my mind I always associated Sun with Unix because I thought that SunOS
and Solaris are Unix operating systems, and I also thought that Unix work
only on Unix servers and workstations, and only Linux is a kind of Unix made

for PC.

But or I am wrong and Solaris is not Unix, or Sun fool us and use the same
name of Solaris for 2 different operating systems, one of them beeing Unix
and the other one beeing a Linux distribution.

Can anyone make some light?

Thanks.



Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Perry"<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Creating an Operating System with speech included


Actually both orca linux and Solaris are about the same.  I would put them
around Jaws 3.3 access right now.  I run Ubuntu because it's the easiest
to
get working on my laptop.  I also run Redhat 9 on my server and have no
troubles with it if you don't mind hacking a bit.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian
Rasnita
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:50 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included

That's good news. Does OpenSolaris and Orca offer a better accessibility
than Windows with Jaws?

Or at least does it offer a better accessibility than Ubuntu with Orca?

Thanks.

Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "black ares"<matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included


yes, solaris is a unix platform and it suports orca.
at least for x86 cpu family
i've worked with solaris 10,
i've downloaded it from sun site for free.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita"<orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included


Sorry, but I think you don't know what you are talking about.

First, I didn't say that Jaws is a Microsoft program. I said only that
the best accessibility is offered by Windows and Jaws and not by Orca
and
Linux, but not even the comparison between these 2 is important, but the
fact that it is very hard to create another OS with another screen
reader
built in.

Second, I know that Orca works with Linux, but Sun doesn't pretend that
they've created the most advanced Linux OS, but that they've created
Solaris, the most advanced OS.
However, Solaris is not accessible for the blind, or it is accessible
but
only by using emacspeak, which has a very ugly interface and offers a
poor accessibility anyway, and I haven't tested Solaris so I don't
really
know if it really supports emacspeak or it is just a future plan for
Sun.

By the way, have anyone tried Solaris?

Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "black ares"<matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included


don't forget that jaws is not a microsoft software and, taking software
only from the two grand companies, sun is better than microsoft.
Because, with orca you can do more than with narator from windows.
So Sun has right assuming it as the best company offering an advanced
os
with speak.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita"<orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included


Windows is an operating system with speech included. Do you want to
create a
better OS than Windows and a better screen reader than Narrator?
I guess you want to create a better one, because otherwise... why
bother?

In order to do that, you should create a company, employ a few
thousands of
good programmers and after very many years you might do it.
Sun Microsystems has tens of thousands of programmers and they pretend
that
they have created the most advanced operating system in the world, and
they
have also made one of the most used screen readers for Linux, but the
accessibility offered by their solutions is much lower than the one
offered
by Windows and screen readers like Jaws, and Sun work on their OS for
very
many years, so... it could be very hard to do what you want.

Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose Lomeli"<jose.lomeli93@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:05 AM
Subject: Creating an Operating System with speech included


Hello; Listers, I just thought.  What do I have to do to create a
operating system with speech.  I just thought about this.  Can this
be
done? Please write back.
 From Jose Lomeli.
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