[geocentrism] Re: Moon phases
- From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 06:29:25 -0500
Philip -- Correction here. I said below: Then you have the KJV and all the
other
counterfeit so-called "bibles" which say that the world was made "through"
Him. (Like somebody else really made everything and Jesus was a tool in
their hands.)
It was a typo. I meant to say Then you have the New KJV and all other
counterfeit so-called "bibles". I cerrtainly didn't mean to say the KJV
was a counterfeit. Anything but.
Cheryl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:05 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon phases
> Philip -- Not to be argumentative with you, but there is no such thing as
a
> modern KJV, or as you say 21st century KJV. People can put any kind of
> label they want on thing, but a rose is still a rose, and a rotton apple
is
> still a rotton apple. The so-called "New King James" is a rotton apple--
> or, rather, a laughable counterfeit. It, along with all the other
> counterfeits, changes words and meanings all over, introducing all kinds
of
> error and blasphemy as it sanitizes and genericizes and strips Jesus of
His
> diviinity. Case in point, the Gospel of John. The authorized KJV (I mean
> the real thing) says Jesus is the Creator of everything, that everything
> that was made was made BY Jesus. Then you have the KJV and all the other
> counterfeit so-called "bibles" which say that the world was made "through"
> Him. (Like somebody else really made everything and Jesus was a tool in
> their hands.)
>
> As I said, anyone can put any kind of name they want on something, but
that
> doesn't make it so. The "New" King James may be new but it's anything
but
> King James. And despite its claims, it does not use the same manuscripts
> for translation.
>
> As I said before and now it's being demonstrated on this forum -- it is
> important to have an authority. Either God gave us a Bible we can
believe
> and trust, or He did not. If He did not, then what is the use of trying
to
> prove what He says is true re geocentrism/geostatism -- if we don't even
> know what He said?
>
> From what I've read about geocentrism, most all the adherents to
> geocentricity are people who love and trust their KJVs, who know they hold
> in their hands the real thing, the true Word of God that is perfect and
> inerrent.
>
> You won't see people with these other fuzzy New Age translations relying
on
> much of anything when it comes to "every jot and tittle." They have to
read
> their "bibles" -- and I use that word very loosely -- with their eyes
> squinted from a distance hoping to maybe get an approximate glimpse of
truth
> from distance. These are the people who will tell you either that ALL
the
> translations are correct (which of course can't be true) or that NONE of
> them are.
>
> I would as soon rely on the Geneva Bible, or the Bishops Bible, or William
> Tyndale's translation as any of these laughable New Age "bibles." We may
as
> well pick up the JW's bible as any of these, and in many respects they are
> very similar.
>
> We need to have an authority we can rely on if we are going to check
> Scripture for the answers. Otherwise, we will all be speaking a different
> language to each other.
>
> Cheryl
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 12:32 AM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon phases
>
>
> > A more serious talk on the language of the Bible, specific to the sun..
In
> my jest to Gary, I discovered something...that might be important..
> > I noticed that the modernist s have changed Ecclesiastes 1verses 4 and
> 5... Look at what the 21st century KJV said. (now I am not being
> denominationally argumentive here, the modern Catholic Bible has done
worse)
> >
> > 4One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh; but the
earth
> abideth for ever.
> > 5The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteneth to his
place
> where he arose.
> >
> > That word "also" .. See how if applied to verse 5, in the same manner
as
> verse 4, then they can say that the bible is speaking with the meaning
given
> to "riseth" as when a generation dies and another comes, "into being" ..
> This is a subtle way to attack the geocentric claim.
> >
> > Because the 1899 DR bible says,
> >
> > 4One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the
earth
> standeth for ever. 5The sun riseth, and goeth down, and returneth to his
> place: and there rising again
> >
> > There is no "also "
> >
> > Now take a look at the KJV This is the 1611 version, 1987 print, not
the
> modern 1975 translation called the New KJV. , and quite distinct from the
> 21st century KJV.
> >
> > 4One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the
earth
> abideth for ever. 5The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and
hasteth
> to his place where he arose.
> >
> > There is that added word... also Perchance a heliocentrist
influence
> in 1611
> >
> > Just for fun lets see what the 1987,new KJV translation said. This was
> commissioned by Thomas Nelson, publishers said to be from the original???
> Greek Hebrew and Arabic texts.. Funny how these seem to be available, when
> they were not available to the 17th century, when they relied heavily on
St.
> Jeromes Vulgate.
> >
> > 4One generation passes away, and another generation comes; But the earth
> abides forever. 5The sun also rises, and the sun goes down, And hastens to
> the place where it arose...
> >
> > So thats 3 to 1 against geocentrism in the use of the word riseth... it
> being merely also as a generation cometh and goeth.etc.
> >
> > I have no Latin.. perhaps someone can tell us if riseth is here, and if
> "also" is there as well, Here is Jeromes words..
> > 4generatio praeterit et generatio advenit terra vero in aeternum stat
> >
> > 5oritur sol et occidit et ad locum suum revertitur ibique renascens
> >
> >
> >
> > Philip.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gary Shelton
> > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 12:20 PM
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon phases
> >
> >
> > Philip,
> >
> > You were quick to jump on this like a BA-er would, and it is
> > plausible...sounding. But, you are comparing apples to oranges, don't
> you
> > think?
> >
> > That the sun does rise is a proper geocentric term taken literally.
> >
> > That the moon is "new" each month is also a proper geocentric term
taken
> > literally.
> >
> > I make this statement due to the sense of the use of the word "new".
> Here
> > in the states it is a common thing to say one has a "new" car. Now
that
> car
> > may be a 1992 clunker, but if it's something that person just
purchased,
> > then it is still called "new". It is understood that the car is not
> really
> > "new" by the parties involved.
> >
> > Likewise, you seem to only be allowing Jack one definition for the
word
> > "new" here. The moon is new each month. That doesn't mean God
created
> it
> > brand spanking "new" at that time. It is not a phenomenological
> language
> > issue at all; it is the simple fact that "new" has more than one
> dictionary
> > denotation.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 4:37 PM
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon phases
> >
> >
> > > Dear Gary,
> > > Does the Bible not mention 'new Moon' somewhere?
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > Now who said the Bible has to be taken literally, and not in the
> > vernacular, i e The sun "rises?" in the east,, is only an expression
> of
> > what is seen...
> > >
> > > What we call a "new" moon is not new at all, is it.. ? So must we
> look
> > literally for an old moon?
> > >
> > > There is a new moon in the bible Jack then you might have just made
a
> big
> > argument against us re the written word of God, not being literal, but
> uses
> > our figures of speech....
> > >
> > > 1 Kings 20-5
> > > 4 kings 4-23
> > > psalm 80
> > > Ezechial 46
> > >
> > > Philip.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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