[geocentrism] Re: Ancient calendars
- From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:52:01 -0500
Hi, Carl. Thanks for coming on board. Now I won't be the new kid on the
block anymore. People here are very nice. This list does not conduct
itself like the rough and tumble bulletin boards you might be familiar with.
And of course Dr. Jones is one of the foremost geocentric authorities alive
today.
Regarding the new moon and whether it was meant to go through phases -- the
way I read Genesis the moon is included in the "lights in the firmament of
the heaven to 1. divide the day from the night; and let them be for 2.
signs, and 3. seasons, and 4 for days, and years. Certainly the moon
indicates all four of those. The Indians used to say, the third moon,
fourth moon, whatever. It was God's intent to make the moon go through
phases, and for the sun to cross the 12 signs of the zodiac in the celestial
eclicptic also maps out the months. The sailors use the stars to nagivate.
Those were the reasons God made the stars and moon, not so he could populate
them with "Masters of the Universe" as NASA and the space junkies seem to
think, convinced as they are that space is teeming with life, with creatures
more highly evolved that we are here on earth, that we are just a little
speck in an infinite cosmos.
I guess you're aware of the scientific evidence from astronomy that shows
that no matter what direction you look, there's an equal thickness of stars
in all directions -- indicating that we are in the middle of the universe,
just as you would suppose from God's Word. How do the atheist/evolutionists
explain this away? They say that space is infinite and therefore there is
no center, that everything is the center.
An infinite universe of course means that matter is God. And the only
thing that would differentiate this matter is that God had no beginning.
The evolutionsts say that new matter is constantly appearing out of nothing,
organizing itself into heavenly bodies, producing life on itself and all by
itself. Or rather, they think this life happened all by itself by accident
at one time, but that now these "Masters" are able to help things along with
their highly evolved powers.
I came onto this list because I recently came to see from reading Marshall
Hall's website that, hey, our earth is probably not even turning! I had
already figured out from the Scripture that we were the center of the
universe and that there is no other life "out there," because it's obvious
from Genesis 1 that, since the stars weren't created until the fourth day,
that the earth is the center of the Unvierse and the stars were made for us
and to "declare the glory of God."
After reading Marshall Hall's website I considered what he said, especially
about the atmosphere just hanging there peacefully even though we were
turning around at a great rate of speed, and I said, yep, he's probably
right.
So I went to the NASA websites to see if they had any kind of documentation
of the earth turning, figuring they were the only ones in a position to
document the theories of Copernicus on the heliocentric model. I found out
they have no documentation, claim they've never tried to document this
because it's "not necessary."
To this day I am still stunned and shocked at the arrogance of NASA, that
they would take the hard-earned money of American taxpayers and go roaring
around in space, and think it's "not necessary" to document if all is as
Copernicus says. If you read the articles put up here by Dr. Jones and his
son Steven Jones, you'll see that there's plenty of reason to doubt he
Helios.
Since the Helios think it "not necessary" to document their theory, the
gencentrists are "ahead" in their proofs, because we have God's Word that
says definitively that the earth does not move, that the sun goes around the
earth (as per what we can deduce from Joshua 10:13 and other verses ie that
God "hung the earth in space," that he uses the earth as "his footstool" and
that he "sits upon the circle of the earth." There's a website that's
really good on analyzing scripture to discover the answers to cosmology,
done by Gordon Bane, www.geocentricbible.com.
So my Big Question in my mind that I'm searching for an answer to is, is
there a vantage point NASA can use to document if the earth is turning,
and/or that the sun is not orbiting the earth. If I learn that there is
such a vantage point, I intend to file official complaints with the U.S.
government for massive waste of tax dollars for not documenting a basic
theory of science, to answer the qusetion that science was invented to
answer, i.e. where is earth's place in the cosmos? Matter of fact, the
astronauts performed an experiment of basic science at their first moon
landing, and dropped a feather and a hammer to see if as Newton said they
would land at the same time. The astronauts put Newton's theory into the
category of scientific law by so doing.
I'm stunned that NASA thinks it's not necessary to prove or justify
Copernican theories. This, in spite of all the oohs and aahs as the first
views of the earth were glimpsed by the astronauts, and even NASA talks
about these sights of the earth as being the most breathtaking and amazing
things man has ever seen. Supposedly, this has sparked an interest in
ecology, and NASA claims that the current environmental rage can be traced
to those views by NASA's astronauts of earth from space.
NASA also says on their website that from the moon the earth appeared as a
huge globe, about eight times brighter than the moon appears to us here, a
big, blue marble.
No mention of the earth turning on its axis has ever been made, so far as I
know, by anyone at NASA, any astronaut. The only pic there is looks like a
simulation, and is done admittedly by a Mormon nonscientist Calvin Hamilton
whose hobby is computer graphic arts, and put up by NASA, with Mr. Hamilton
even responsible for the accompanying text. Mr. Hamilton has one "movie"
showing the earth turning and he says the photos were taken from Galileo.
There is no claim to have taken timelapse shots. My daughter who is into
graphic arts agrees that it looks like a simulation.
I watch Fox News all the time. They show a globe turning also, but it's a
simulation.
NASA is so busy spending our money looking into outer space and trying to
make contact with the "Masters of the Universe," trying to talk to them with
their radio statellites, and trying to rendevous with them or find evidence
of their having visited one of our planets or even earth -- I'd just like
them to take a few moments to do the basic science we would expect true
scientists to do, check out what's going on here on planet earth regarding
if we are spinning and orbiting or not. Then they can go roaring around in
their spaceships and pointing their huge telescopes into outer space looking
for our "cosmic roots."
BTW, are you a Messianic Jew?
Sincerely,
Cheryl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Felland" <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:56 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Ancient calendars
> Gary,
> New Moon is mentioned several times in the Old Testament and once in the
> New (Col 2:16 Then do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in
> drinking, or in part of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,).
> There were specific activities associated with the New Moon. These
> included raising the Tabernacle (Exo 40:2 On the first day of the
> month, on the first of the month, you shall raise up the tent of the
> tabernacle of the congregation.), blowing trumpets (Num 10:10 And in
> the day of your gladness, and in your appointed times, and in your new
> moons, you shall blow the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over
> the sacrifices of your peace offerings. And they shall be to you for a
> memorial before your God. I am Jehovah your God. ), communication with
> YHWH (Num 1:1 And Jehovah spoke to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai in
> the tabernacle of the congregation on the first of the second month, in
> the second year after they had come out of the land of Egypt, saying,),
> special meetings (Lev 23:24 Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, In the
> seventh month, on the first of the month, a sabbath shall be to you, a
> call to a memorial, a holy gathering. Deu 1:3 And it happened, in the
> fortieth year, in the eleventh month on the first of the month, Moses
> spoke to the sons of Israel according to all that Jehovah had commanded
> him concerning them; 2Ch 29:17 And they began to sanctify on the first
> of the first month, and on the eighth day of the month they came to the
> porch of Jehovah; and they sanctified the house of Jehovah in eight
> days, and on the sixteenth day of the first month they had finished.),
> visits to prophets (2Ki 4:23a And he said, Why are you going to him
> today; it is neither new moon nor sabbath? note the threefold division
> of days: 1 - work day because he was working; 2 - new moon; 3 - sabbath;
> see also Eze. 46: 1 and 3), family gatherings (1Sa 20:29a And he said,
> Please send me away, for we have a family sacrifice in the city, and my
> brother commanded me.), civil banquets (1Sa 20:34 And Jonathan rose up
> from the table in the heat of anger. And he did not eat food on the
> second day of the new moon, for he was grieved for David. For his father
> had put him to shame. Note a two day New Moon festival as I understand
> it). The New Moon gives a period each month for activities outside of
> the normal work week.
>
> The only other phase mentioned is the full moon (Psa 81:3 Blow the
> ram's horn in the new moon, at the full moon, on our feast day.). In
> this verse new moon probably refers to 'month,' in this case probably
> the seventh, and full moon the sign for the 15th day of the month, which
> was both 1st day of Unleavened Bread and the 1st day of Tabernacles. It
> was also the 1st day of a non sanctioned feast (1Ki 12:32 And Jeroboam
> made a feast in the eighth month, in the fifteenth day of the month,).
> It makes sense to me that the pilgrimage feasts would be begun with full
> lighting at night.
>
> The moon is visible for at least a portion of the night all but during
> the New Moon. It is at this time that its reappearance is eagerly
> sought. The moon serves quite well to tell when in the month we are.
> It is a calendar that man can't alter.
>
> Carl
>
> Gary Shelton wrote:
>
> >Carl, Amnon,
> >
> >Genesis 1:16-18 talks about God making the two great lights. One was to
rule
> >over the day, the other over the night. I've often wondered, ala
> >Velikovsky, if once upon a time we actually had a moon that circled the
> >earth in the exact same time as the sun, thus maintaining this perfect
> >relationship of the verse. For where, I have always wondered, are moon
> >"phases" mentioned in the Bible? Wasn't the moon originally supposed to
be
> >there every night to rule over us?
> >
> >Gary
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Amnon" <yerushabel3@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:41 PM
> >Subject: [geocentrism] Ancient calendars
> >
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> >>At the time of the bloody schism of the Julian-Gregorian calendrical
> >>reform, when it was suggested to Pope Gregory (1582) that it might be
> >>easier to adopt the proven Jewish calendar, he exclaimed: " 'tis better
> >>to be wrong with the calendar than right with the Jews!".
> >><>
> >>Only the intercalary Jewish calendar has managed to reconcile so well
> >>for so long the three distinct geocentric motions of the solar (the
> >>year), lunar (the month) and diurnal (day) periods.
> >>H<>ow unlike the calendars of the nations. The Christian world has its
> >>years correctly calculated, but not the months. The 365 days of the year
> >>are arbitrarily divided into twelve months, which themselves have no
> >>relation to the orbit of the moon.
> >>
> >>The Moslems have correct months, but incorrect years. They simply make
> >>the twelve lunar months into a year of 354 days, which is eleven short!
> >>The result is that their festivals are not bound to the seasons of the
> >>year, and keep shifting, now to the spring, now to the winter, and then
> >>to the summer: not exactly conducive to calmness of spirit. Some hold
> >>this as being partly responsible for the volatility of the Muslim
> >>character!
> >>
> >>
> >>Carl Felland <cfelland@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> My family and I began to observe a solar/lunar "Creation calendar"
> >> (Gen.
> >> 1: 14) about a year ago in which the 6 working days, weekly
Sabbaths,
> >> and New Moon Days are mutually exclusive (Eze. 46: 1, 3
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