[GeoStL] Re: December 31st, 2010,terracaching will shut down

From: Moody Monkeyfish <with.a.ph317@xxxxxxxxx>
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 10:35:43 -0600
LOL Mr. President!

I think it is the individual's responsibility to find the caches that they
deem to be quality. If that means they can't just plug in a cord and
download a QUANTITY of caches without much effort,then so be it. I load my
caches by hand and read each cache page to decide if I like it enough to go
for it. I doubt there were so many ways to make loading caches so easy when
geocaching started. However, things evolved as they do. As I took what I
have read, the real issue is that it isn't easy to just load exactly what is
specifically wanted. However, if one wants to be that specific, they really
ought to expect to do the quality check by hand.



On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Mr. President <mogamoga2010@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

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> I think we need more cow bell!  :-D
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> > From: junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: December 31st, 2010,terracaching will shut down
> > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:14:17 -0600
> >
> > -
> > Caching was much more fun back in the early days when the cache placers
> > would take the time to find an interesting location or hide a cache in a
> > creative or sneaky way. My preference would be for cache places to return
> > to this way of hiding caches instead of the if you can throw a cache
> > somewhere, it is OK or thinking of easier and lamer ways to get numbers
> > (like the video I posted the link to). In those days, we would describe
> > caching as looking for tupperware in the woods. Now it is lifting
> lamppost
> > covers to put a sticker on a log in a film canister.
> >
> > I agree few cachers would label their caches "lame" and what constitutes
> a
> > quality cache is in the eye of the beholder. But when you talk about a
> lame
> > cache most experienced cachers know the kind of caches you are talking
> > about. "Caches that do not take you to an interesting location or are not
> > hidden in a creative or challenging way" is objective criteria and is a
> > reasonable way to describe lame caches. If these kinds of caches are
> > allowed, there should be a way to filter them.
> >
> > It would be interesting to conduct a survey, but I bet while there are
> some
> > cachers who think numbers are everything, I bet the vast majority of
> cachers
> > would rather find an easy cache at scenic/historic spot than pick up a
> > lampskirt in a Walmart parking lot or pull a key holder off a guardrail
> by a
> > busy highway. While that video I posted the link to shows some people
> enjoy
> > relaying cache containers from one highway marker to the next, my bet is
> > they are in the minority. Instead of having quantity caches overwhelm
> > quality caches, why not set up numbers courses where the numbers hounds
> can
> > go in circles finding the same caches over and over again. Its just as
> easy
> > to find the same cache over and over again as finding a cache on these
> > number runs.
> >
> > Jim Bensman
> > "Nature Bats Last"
> >
> > PS Puzzle caches cannot be filtered by ? - other types of caches are also
> ?.
> > But unlike the overwhelming numbers of numbers caches, you can generally
> > deal with them.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-
> > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Senger
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 12:50 PM
> > > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: December 31st, 2010,terracaching will shut down
> > >
> > > -
> > > I think you fail to see Mike's point, which is that Jim's idea of a
> > > good cache isn't necessarily my idea (or your idea, or Mike's idea) of
> > > a good cache. The point of the filters is to find caches that meet a
> > > certain criteria that anyone would agree is a good description of the
> > > cache. To add a "lame" criteria would be impossible to judge
> > > objectively.
> > >
> > > As someone else mentioned, a rating system would be the best idea.
> > > However, rating systems are flawed, too.
> > >
> > > Andrew Senger
> > > asenger@xxxxxxxxx
> > > http://www.yawetag.net
> > > "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. He's also
> > > postmaster and probably traffic cop, too. All the jobs for sports
> > > referees are probably filled, though." --Lemel Hebert-Williams
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Mike Lusicic <lusicic@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > -
> > > > It may be that he does grasp your point. Perhaps he agrees that he
> > > will only
> > > > do the kind that he likes, but the problem is that there is no
> > > facility
> > > > provided by GC.COM to differentiate the kind he likes from those
> that
> > > he
> > > > doesn't. For example, there is a puzzle type, and he can successfully
> > > > identify those. There is no "lame" tag that he can use to filter out
> > > the
> > > > ones that are what he considers lame. A difficulty of 1 could apply
> > > to a
> > > > good cache in the woods as well as a lamp post cache, so it isn't a
> > > very
> > > > good indicator.
> > > >
> > > > I do see that finding a category that doesn't seem demeaning to the
> > > numbers
> > > > people might be difficult. But then again, it may be easier for them
> > > if they
> > > > can identify the easy numbers oriented caches.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I don't mean to speak for you Jim, but am I correct in my
> > > > assessment. Sometimes just saying it differently might help things
> > > along.
> > >
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