to seek a solution, which was missing from the USFWS web-site (at least that I could see; I am sometimes guilty of skimming). That is somewhat reassuring and I hope some access compromise can be worked out. However, I still feel that the public should have been consulted and options explored, before announcing a closure to take effect in less than 2 months. What I am most afraid of is that what folks do not see/experience they will not be as interested in protecting (or adding to). Yes, some folks will take guided tours, a few will bicycle (actually, I have serious concerns about bicycle access and possible ocelot collisions, and almost no-one will walk. Lakeside Drive can be okay-good (sometimes excellent) for birds and other wildlife, but doesn't usually offer a lot for the visitor to see. An interesting comparison is Santa Ana NWR, whose refuge drive was formerly opened during daylight hours (was it 9 AM to 4 PM?) in low-usage months. There was some concern about access when the drive was closed, but the difference is that the vast majority of good birding areas at Santa Ana are an easy to pretty easy walk from the visitors center, and there is shade along many of the trails, extending effective usage times. I realize that Laguna Atascosa is in a different ecosystem (and can't manufacture shade) and is on a different scale, but would very much hope that some kind of compromise can be reached. Regards and good birding, Tim Brush Edinburg, TX On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:30 AM, mtwoman <mtwoman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I have never been there, so I cannot speak to that particular place or > situation. But I have to ditto "Paul D. and Georgean Z. Kyle" and their > position, and in fact, add to it: I wish ALL traffic would be stopped. > Places without human impact are becoming exceedingly rare. I relish the > idea of there being such places, and that is saying something coming from > me...who has spent countless hours trudging offroad through wilderness and > natural areas, and who feels that I "do it right", with awareness and > respect for it, and that because of that, I have a "right" to do it. > One has to look at the big picture and what's happening. When I came to > that, I made a decision to stop going to those places where no-one else > went, and leave them be. > > It doesn't matter to me when or how the Ocelots were killed..it only > matters that they were, and if stopping vehicle traffic is a way to > eliminate that, so be it. > > It's coming a time when we HAVE to step back, sometimes, in some places, > from our selfish naturalist endeavors, and if we are truly appreciators of > Nature, give it room to be. > > As far as "educating" people by having them drive through a place so they > can have an appreciation of it: if it is NOT guided touring, how are they > educated? To just drive through a place, without any information about it > to begin with or some along the way does not, imo, lend knowledge, > understanding, or appreciation. > > My 2×...or maybe 20× with the current inflation..................... > > Tzila "Z" Duenzl > Weatherford, Texas, USA > > PS: If, as was stated in a post, there is Border Patrol traffic there, that > changes my position. Then, we NEED to be there to try to keep THEM from > harming the place. > > Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at > //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds > > Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission > from the List Owner > > > Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner