I respectfully disagree. there is no real proof that more stringent codes increase numbers.If there is absolute proof then I would like to know where it is documented. The GSD has always been a popular breed probably much to its detriment. If a person is selecting a dog for his family, they already have in mind a couple of breeds they are considering and are drawn to either by the breeds appearance, trainability, and of course what the needs of the family are. I have never met anyone who stated " We chose this breed because of the breed's Code" What may increase a breeds numbers are the ability to owner handle, a lack of insurance liability ( meaning insurance companies will insure you if you own a certain breed of dog, whereas some carriers won't with some breeds including ours), perhaps it is a breed that hasn't been "labeled" as a dangerous breed by a local communities( and in some cases ours has been as it can attract the "wrong" sort of people) and also we must consider the public is more aware of different breeds because of the exposure to televised conformation and working events. I am certainly not saying that a few GSD breeders couldn't benefit by being more stringent about what they breed, especially in regard to temperament, but at the end of the day the burning questions still linger..who is going to enforce this stronger code, who will be the breed warden, does the GSDCA want to be involved in a potential perpetual state of litigation, who is going to monitor the standard of care on a regular basis. Christine hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Steve and Christine Grainger WWW.HICKORYHILLGSD.COM > [Original Message] > From: <InquestGSD@xxxxxxx> > To: <Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx>; <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 8/5/2007 8:51:25 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Breeder's Code > > > I've been reading this thread with interest. I've been reading other breeds > Breeders Codes, and suggest everyone takes time to do this. You will be > please to find out that those with strong codes have seen increase in numbers, > and memberships, because they have earned the respect from the public. That's > a serious gain. If the public perceives the club as one who is SERIOUS about > their talk about taking care of their breed, they will support that effort > with puppy purchases, and become active in different activities that support > the sport. Check out their registration numbers raising, their entries > raising. Are we going to see a small decline at the beginning?Perhaps. That's what > happens when you wean out the things you don't want. > > I mentioned this before, and will do it again, our code needs to be our > introduction to those who are looking to place their trust on our dogs. It is our > "Good Housekeeping" seal of approval. > > One of the things we need to be DEMANDING in our code is that breeding stock > is of correct temperament. Not soft, not hard, correct. > > My hat off to Jamie for taking on this project. But those who do the talk > and don't walk the walk are not going to support your efforts, it clashes with > their practices. > > JMO > > Ileana > > In a message dated 8/3/2007 11:05:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx writes: > THANK YOU NANCY, FOR SAYING ALL OF THE THINGS I WANT TO SAY!! > As it is, the proposed code is not nearly as strict as some other breeds. > It's time for those who "talk the talk" to "walk the walk". > Jamie > **************************************************************************** ** > ************** > > I hope everyone is behind the move to develop a very "tight" breeders > > code of ethics. The code needs to be sent back to the drawing table until > > it is a TOOL TO PROTECT OUR BREED. It is a shame when well known breeders > > refuse to take responsibility for their breeding when contacted by shelter > or > > rescue people - and it happens. Our PC Corresponding Secretary and > > our chair for Health and Genetics receive all kinds of calls from innocent > > people who have purchased compromised companions and receive no help > > from the GSDCA breeder who sold said dog. Is it any wonder we loose > people > > to the breed?. > > Let us develop a Breeder's Code of Ethics that has real teeth. Let us > > encourage the public & all buyers to purchase only from those who are > > signers of the Breeder's Code of Ethics and let us have a sanction in > > place for those who sign and then violate the Breeder's Code of Ethics. I > DO > > NOT BUY THAT THIS CANNOT BE DONE BECAUSE OF LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS. OTHER > > CLUBS DO IT - AND THEY ARE STRICTER ON MEMBERSHIP TO BOOT. THIS IS A > PRIVATE > > SOCIETY. > > > > It is a well known fact that those breed clubs that have adopted a > > strong Code for both membership and breeders code have not become > "elitists " > > but to the contrary, they have seen their breed grow, and thrive and they > > have increased their membership with responsible people. > > > > Please support the new research that will identity the marker for the > > dreaded Bloat/Torsion. Thank you Barbara Williams for your efforts in > > getting Dr. Pletcher (sp) involved with the GSD on this issue. We are > > all indebted and grateful for your efforts. > > Nancy Harper > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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