I don't think either reason below is valid. Of course you can't legislate morals, and just because you can't should that mean there's no code? (Try getting that to fly at West Point or the Naval or Air Force Academy.) Then again, these aren't "average" kids we are talking about, are they? Heck, we had an Honor Code for the NHS in High School. I WAS proud to follow it. It meant something. I was part of an elite group. I want that same feeling in dogs. BETTER THAN AVERAGE. PART OF A GROUP THAT'S NOT JUST ORDINARY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MISSING! To address another point in your post, there's something wrong when millers and BYBs get the same price for a puppy as a PC member who is a signer of the breeder's code. (And it doesn't happen here, I can tell you, even w/ a tight economy.) As to your second point, we aren't following a path of approved breedings; not even close. And I don't care what you do to enforce it; don't send puppy buyers to violators, have a review process which includes publishing names and grievances then follow up after a review when something goes wrong, (like the violations in the back of the AKC Gazette), take Futurity points, ROM points away, don't let violators advertise that they ARE signers of the Code once they have broken their word ...whatever, these are just ideas off the top of my head. I'm sure someone can come up with something. (Oh, I can see some of our "guardians" cringing now, lol!) Trying to be all inclusive certainly hasn't increased membership/entries, has it? Maybe if we were a tad more careful about what we stood for, membership would mean something and people would actually put a value on being a signer of the code. Maybe we've gone too down the "live and let live" path. I see plenty of things that sicken me w/ club members. I don't need to go to puppy mills to get disgusted. In fact, I'm not near as disgusted w/ millers. Unlike some of our "guardians" they don't pretend to have the breed's best interest at heart. I'm off to have a nice afternoon. Tc, Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 5/10/2008 12:11:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barbmarkh@xxxxxxx writes: Do some people resist a stricter COE just because? (a) you can't legislate morals or good behavior and (b) for the same reasons we have resisted following the German club path of approved breeding's - as Americans -we just don't like more rules and regulations (or laws)? or oversight -? Barb **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================