Ian Mackenzie wrote: >Doug > >Your'e the one who is deluded. You have been blowing this trumpet >for years and the tune is a little old now. Why don't you admit that >ATSC is the one out of step with the rest of the world. Just like NTSC was, and is. Come guys, let's not fight. Doug is right to argue that ATSC does not mandate use of outdoor antennas, any more than DVB-T does. John Shutt keeps referring to the antenna mounted on a 30' mast as if that were a requirement for ATSC. It might have been used as a planning factor, but once again, "compared to what"? We should always ask compared to what? John and other might be surprised to know that the French TNT (televison numerique terrestre) also uses a 30' mast planning factor (actually 10 meters, but who's quibbling). Here's a little gem I found: -------------------------------------------- http://www.csa.fr/pdf/Rapport-GT2-Aspects_Radiofrequence_de_la_TNT.pdf En France, le CSA a effectué la planification des fréquences en prenant comme hypothèse l?utilisation des paramètres suivants : Modulation : 64 QAM Rendement de code : 2/3 Mode de réception : fixe (canal de transmission de type Rice) Mode : 8k (6817 porteuses) Intervalle de garde : 28 μs (Tu/32) Rapport du groupe CTE-TNT/GT2 « Radiofréquence » doc. GT2-78 Avec ces paramètres, le niveau de champ médian minimal à planifier1 à une hauteur de 10 m par rapport au sol est de 53 dBμV/m en bande IV et de 57 dBμV/m en bande V. ----------------------------------------------- So, the planning factors assume 64 QAM, 1/32 guard interval (which means very short distance between the towers of an urban SFN), Ricean fading (which is relatively benign), and the power density measured 32.8' above ground level. No one should conclude from this that indoor reception is impossible. But everyone should conclude that if coverage area is calculated on this basis, then indoor reception will certainly not be guaranteed for everyone in the market area. Just like here in the US. Bert _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.