Indoor and mobile reception will be necessary for the future survival of = (free or not) OTA TV. Of course even that will be threatened eventually = by mega-broadband 2-way fiber with pervasive wireless hot spots. I think OTA TV is really just legacy multi-casting but there is still no = reason the broadcasters can't move into the future as technology advances= =2E - Tom Albert Manfredi wrote: > Ian Mackenzie wrote: >=20 >=20 >>Doug >> >>Your'e the one who is deluded. You have been blowing this trumpet >>for years and the tune is a little old now. Why don't you admit that >>ATSC is the one out of step with the rest of the world. >=20 >=20 > Just like NTSC was, and is. Come guys, let's not fight. >=20 > Doug is right to argue that ATSC does not mandate use of outdoor antenn= as,=20 > any more than DVB-T does. John Shutt keeps referring to the antenna mou= nted=20 > on a 30' mast as if that were a requirement for ATSC. It might have bee= n=20 > used as a planning factor, but once again, "compared to what"? We shoul= d=20 > always ask compared to what? >=20 > John and other might be surprised to know that the French TNT (televiso= n=20 > numerique terrestre) also uses a 30' mast planning factor (actually 10 = > meters, but who's quibbling). >=20 > Here's a little gem I found: >=20 > -------------------------------------------- > http://www.csa.fr/pdf/Rapport-GT2-Aspects_Radiofrequence_de_la_TNT.pdf >=20 > En France, le CSA a effectu=E9 la planification des fr=E9quences en pre= nant=20 > comme hypoth=E8se l=92utilisation des param=E8tres suivants : >=20 > Modulation : 64 QAM > Rendement de code : 2/3 > Mode de r=E9ception : fixe (canal de transmission de type Rice) > Mode : 8k (6817 porteuses) > Intervalle de garde : 28 μs (Tu/32) > Rapport du groupe CTE-TNT/GT2 =AB Radiofr=E9quence =BB doc. GT2-78 >=20 > Avec ces param=E8tres, le niveau de champ m=E9dian minimal =E0 planifie= r1 =E0 une=20 > hauteur de 10 m par rapport au sol est de 53 dBμV/m en bande IV et= de=20 > 57 dBμV/m en bande V. > ----------------------------------------------- >=20 > So, the planning factors assume 64 QAM, 1/32 guard interval (which mean= s=20 > very short distance between the towers of an urban SFN), Ricean fading = > (which is relatively benign), and the power density measured 32.8' abov= e=20 > ground level. >=20 > No one should conclude from this that indoor reception is impossible. B= ut=20 > everyone should conclude that if coverage area is calculated on this ba= sis,=20 > then indoor reception will certainly not be guaranteed for everyone in = the=20 > market area. >=20 > Just like here in the US. >=20 > Bert >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FR= EE!=20 > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >=20 > =20 > =20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >=20 > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at = FreeLists.org=20 >=20 > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word = unsubscribe in the subject line. >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.