Me thinks I ain't a bodger, he sounds too skilful! Having trained as an electrical engineer, as a mechanical engineer, I make a good dustman. (Or should that be swarfman??). I get there in the end but I bet it takes me twice as long as you guys and without the waste and swearing. What the heck, I enjoy myself and it gets me out of the way of SWMBO. Dave. ----- Original Message ----- From: "shep" <shep.28@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:40 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Swarf! Hi Peter According to my records, one form of Bodger was the chap who sat in the beechwoods in the Chilterns, surrounding High Wycombe; put two spikes in the ground, cut living branches from the wood, placed them between the centres of the spikes; wrapped string around the branch, and attached this to a springy overhead bough; brought the bough down with one foot, and then on the return stroke, turned the round 'dowels' that appear in the back of a 'Windsor' chair. He used a heavy gouge, which is was recently still sold as a 'bodger's gouge'. He sold these to the many furniture factories in High Wycombe at an agreed price per gross. This activity was still being used in the woods, right up to the beginning of WWII! I am not aware of the bodger's role in shoemaking. Here endeth the first lesson! We used skivers in bookbinding, to make the coloured 'labels' on a leather-bound book. The skiver is the thin upper surface of the leather slit away from the main leather - the other piece is sold as chamois leather. The bookbinder took a sharp knife and and 'feathered' the skiver all around to a tapered finish, so that when glued onto the spine, there is no perceptible ridge. Perhaps the 'Skiver' in shoemaking did something similar? These great leather binding skills are sadly almost extinct, except in a few specialist binders, who charge thousands of pounds for very special bindings. Cheers! Hubert. ----- Original Message ----- From: <peter.chadwick@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Swarf! > Originally, a bodger was someone who had something to do with a certain > process involved in shoe manufacture. > Damned if I can remember what it was, but it was actually a skilled > trade.... > Similarly a skiver - he carefully sliced into the leather soles to arrange > for stitching to be hidden. > > Peter Chadwick > Swindon > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > line. > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.