I could not agree more so , my son who is just about to leave school in six months time here in the UK , I asked him where's your items you made in woodwork and metalwork you know Table , Chair , Toolbox , Adjustable Spanner , Tool Clamp etc ( sorry wrong it's called Technology ), I have not seen them , just joking I said " do they not teach you any skills you will need in the real world when you leave " he reply'd as much as I would like to , we are not allowed to use the Lathe and only allowed to use the pillar drill & grinder when we are supervised , in case we have an accident , and I have not seen the lathe used in all the years I have been at school , and the brazing hearth is not even connected up to gas " . so are we breeding a society of " I can't do it " because I don't have the skills and it's too dangerous , or i don't have the qualification and the 2 day training course to use the photocopier , or will we ever teach kid's these days to be self sufficient and learn , no wonder skills are being lost never to return .... oh and forgot to say my Son's School is 7th ranking in the country by " Her Majesty's Inspectors " only 3 month ago and is classed as a Technology College wait until he meets the opposite sex and marries , and she ask's him to put a shelf up or change a light bulb !!!! .. Dave Hartlepool UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Livingston" <fernj1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Swarf! > > >> So is this lack of numeracy the reason that the kids don't do well in a >> machine shop course?> >> And is it perhaps why there aren't that many younger people entering >> model >> engineering?> >> Peter Chadwick >> Swindon > > Peter, out of every new class that attends the shop school, there are a > few > students that are good at math, but as a general rule, they are rather > slow. > Son gets pretty exasperated at times as he cannot understand how they got > this far in high school without knowing anything other than sports. There > is > a small CNC mill in the class room and since it is computer programmed, > the > kids do pretty well with it as most of them have access to computers at > home. I think the world is going to hell in a handbasket except for the > Chinese who will soon own everything as they will have the smarts while > our > kids get dumbed down to the level of the slowest student. > > Jesse in Tennessee USA > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > line. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: > 01/03/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 01/03/2006 MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.