[lit-ideas] Re: Mike -- Not Real Astute
- From: "Lawrence Helm"<lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:04:25 +0000
I suppose it won't really make any difference to explain things in detail, but
I'll give it a shot. Maybe someone whose head isn't up and locked will be
interested. I intended all the associations and their implications. Yes, the
term originated with the Fascists. Yes, the Communists did a first-class job
in subverting and undermining anti-Communism in American through a
fifth-column-attack. Yes, the Communists convinced brainless Leftists to
support an anti-American pro-communist agenda during the Vietnam war. Had the
USSR not been even more inept than the bungling Americans who didn't know how
to deal with Fifth-Columnist-type anti-Americanism, the USSR might have pulled
out a long-term victory. They pretty much neutralized America's ability to
accomplish anything in its self-interest. And now the Islamists are doing the
same sort of Fifth-Column thing in the U.S., using our blinders-in-place view
of "Rights" against us. And I'll repeat my statement: We have no Idea how to
fight against this Fifth-Column-type of attack.
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "Andreas Ramos" <andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, May-7-2007 6:38 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Mike -- Not Real Astute
There you go again, Lawrence: flipping issues around. Now you're trying to
argue that the "fifth column" are communists, when you were first trying to
say they were terrorists.
But neither of those makes sense; you apparently don't remember who the
"fifth colum" was. They were the fascists in Madrid who collaborated with
the fascists marching on Madrid during the Spanish Civil War. The "fifth
column" were anti-Communists and anti-Liberals.
So now you'll flip again and claim that the fifth column are your allies.
But all of your evasions avoid the point: you think the USA doesn't know how
to deal with terrorists. Are you really so naive that you think the USA
hasn't sponsored terrorists or carried out terrorist wars?
yrs,
andreas
www.andreas.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:59 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Mike -- Not Real Astute
But you can't read what I wrote. I wrote that the U.S. doesn't know how to
deal with fifth-columnist-types. I even mentioned Communists as the
prototypes for the Terrorists we don't want to touch when they are only
"suspects." I don't know why you are having such a problem with what I
wrote. Couldn't be your cast-iron prejudices, could it?
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "Andreas Ramos" <andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, May-7-2007 10:14 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Mike -- Not Real Astute
Lawrence, can you read and understand what I wrote? You claim the US doesn't
understand terrorism, and I point out that the US indeed carried out
terrorist wars in Nicaragua, Honduars, and Afghanistan.
But you simply don't remember that and you don't realize what happened
there. You really don't want to know the truth.
yrs,
andreas
www.andreas.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 9:46 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Mike -- Not Real Astute
Yes, but that's a different subject, Andreas: the fantastic reality you,
Ward Churchill and Noam Chomsky know versus the reality the that most of the
rest of us know. Yes, I know there are good arguments for UFOs, Lemuria,
Atlantis and the Hollow Earth, and they are entertaining from time to time,
and while I would deny no man his hobby, or the horse he came in on, I'll
just leave those matters to you, Ward & Noam.
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "Andreas Ramos" <andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, May-7-2007 9:12 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Mike -- Not Real Astute
From: "Lawrence Helm"
> Our American problem is that we have no idea how to fight an enemy who
> engages in Fifth Column-type activities.
Nonsense. The USA engages in terrorism. The CIA tortured and terrorized in
Honduras. The anti-Castro Cuban terrorists who blew up an airliner are
living in Miami. The USA launched and operated a terrorist war against the
Soviets in Afghanistan, killing tens of thousands with "Fifth-column-type
activities."
> We have never figured that one out.
Oh, we've figured that one out quite well. Just download the CIA's manual on
torture and terrorism.
> Maybe what we need is a special congressional committee to examine such
> people. The House could do it. We could call it "The House UnAmarican
> Activities Committee," and ask such questions as "are you now, or have you
> ever been a Terrorist," and are you now or have you ever supported
> terrorism." That should take care of it.
Lawrence himself will be the first to plead guilty. Lawrence applauded
Jihadi terrorists several months ago when we found out that the Bush White
House is supporting Sunni Jihadi terrorists to harass Iran. He called them
"our allies". Yes, Lawrence is now supporting and has supported terrorists.
> Just get him to admit it and we'll lock him up.
Really?
Lawrence, this is the problem with the USA: it is incapable of seeing
itself. It talks endlessly of high principles, but the reality is quite
different, and it is so enamoured of the principles that it won't admit the
reality.
yrs,
andreas
www.andreas.com
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