[lit-ideas] Re: Mike -- Not Real Astute
- From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:09:18 -0500
LH:
>>No, I find it hilarious that Leftist-Pacifists screamed when the government
>>tried to take away suspected terrorists First Amendment Rights, but were
>>appalled when the NRA objected to having these same suspects deprived of
>>their Second Amendment rights. <<
One reason might be because no one has ever been killed due to the First
Amendment, but a multitudinous plethora of deaths can be traced back to the
Second Amendment's effects (or at least the interpretation that the 2nd
Amendment protects gun ownership -- an interpretation I disagree with despite
the latter-day conversions of Laurence Tribe and Sanford Levinson whom I
greatly admire -- well, Tribe, anyway).
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Mike -- Not Real Astute
But like I've said, I think we should crack down on these suspected
terrorists even harder than we are; so I disagree with both the ACLU types and
the NRA types when it comes to not cracking down on suspected terrorists. We
are in a war but continue to hamper ourselves in fighting it. We have too many
Surrender Monkeys getting in the way of fighting our enemies.
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sun, May-6-2007 8:10 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Mike -- Not Real Astute
I do hate to disappoint you, Lawrence, but I did indeed read the whole
article. I didn't respond to your challenge because I was too busy
Europeanizing my neighbors with Leftist-Pacifist ideology. Sorry.
As to the right to sell guns to terrorist suspects, let me ask you, don't you
find it funny that by law you can be kept from flying on a plane because your
name is on a list of suspected terrorists? Don't you find it hilarious that
you can be sent to prison for life for giving a loan to someone suspected of
being a terrorist? Or for hiring someone who is suspected of being a
terrorist? Don't you find it marvelously droll that you can be disappeared and
sent to a secret prison and tortured because someone suspects you of being a
terrorist? But don't worry, it's still OK to sell a gun to a terrorist
suspect and the good old NRA is determined to protect that right.
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Mike -- Not Real Astute
What you say might be true if you like Mike, only read the headlines and
not the whole article. Notice that I asked Mike for the reasons the NRA took
the position they did and that he never answered. That should have been a clue
for the astute.
I looked up the article on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/04/nra.terror.ap/index.html?eref=rss_us
Since the Leftist-Pacifist position afflicts its holders with the inability
to read long articles, here are a couple of brief paragraphs from the CNN
article:
'In a letter this week to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, NRA executive
director Chris Cox said the bill, offered last week by Sen. Frank Lautenberg,
D-New Jersey, "would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on
mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat. As many of our friends in law
enforcement have rightly pointed out, the word 'suspect' has no legal meaning,
particularly when it comes to denying constitutional liberties," Cox wrote.'
I was hoping Mike would respond. I believe he was one of those who was
outraged that the U.S. would infringe suspected terrorists first amendment
rights by tapping their phones. I was hoping to ask him why he was outraged
over the infringement of the First Amendment Right but not over the
infringement of the Second.
Lest anyone jump to the wrong conclusion about my own position, I would
restrict both first & second amendment rights of those on the Terrorist Watch
list.
Lawrence
------------Original Message------------
From: "JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx Krueger" <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sat, May-5-2007 7:35 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: NRA -- Not Real Astute
I find this very peculiar -- the NRA is aligned, typically, with the
political party which has seen fit to wrench huge swaths of constitutional
liberties and constitutional rights from American citizens carte blanche ...
and yet it defends the notion that suspected terrorists should be allowed to
arm themselves.
Unreal. Absolutely Mad Hatter Alice down the Rabbit Hole Humpty Dumpty
Jabberwocky unreal. Surreal. Impossible to believe.
Julie Krueger
On 5/5/07, Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> My favourite bit:
>
> '"As many of our friends in law enforcement have rightly pointed out,
the
> word 'suspect' has no legal meaning, particularly when it comes to
denying
> constitutional liberties," NRA executive director Chris Cox wrote.'
Mr. Cox said that he would immediately begin a campaign to have the prison
at Guantanamo Bay shut down.
Robert Paul
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