[lit-ideas] Re: Israel's Invasion Pretext UnderFire
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:34:06 -0400
Mike, you're entitled to your opinions. In the meantime, pick up a newspaper.
The Israelis are blockading the Palestinians economically and through food.
They're starving them to death, otherwise known as a humanitarian crisis. That
works for you, I guess. As far as the Mexicans having a right to reclaim
California, that works for you too as long as you don't have to live it.
You're a hypocrite, Mike, or you live by a 19th century code that says, I want
it, so it's mine, or everybody's always done it, so it's okay. The Israelis
are just as evil, just as good, just as human as anybody else. They took
somebody's land and people are annoyed about it and now it's gotten a life of
its own and they're all good and the people who lost their land are all bad. I
used to buy into this terrorist thing too about Hezbollah (not talking about al
Qaeda) until I learned something about this situation, and I recently watched
CNN Present's Inside Hezbollah, a surprisingly sympathetic
portrait from not exactly a supporter of Hezbollah. They help their people
rebuild and get them food and water, so of course they're going to be popular.
In the meantime, Mike, what's your answer? Do you think someone has the right
to throw someone out of their home and move in and leave the homeowner
homeless? We know the Americans did that to the Indians. Do you consider that
precedent so continued expropriation on those grounds acceptable?
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Geary
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 7/27/2006 12:13:54 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Israel's Invasion Pretext UnderFire
AA:
> Except that Israel's moral standing is shaky.
Less so than Hezbollah's?
>It would be like saying the
> Mexicans have a moral right to take over California.
They might well have the moral right, in fact I would suggest that they do, but
that means nothing in the real world.
> That's what this is
> based in, even if the origins are forgotten.
No, it's not. Israel was a creation of the United Nations in 1948. For the
most part the Arab populations of the Middle East rejected that recognition,
but most of the world didn't. Israel's legitimacy as a nation is an accepted
fact by the international community regardless of what some individual nations
might hold.
> My suggestion would be for
> Israel to say, look, we panicked after WWII and didn't act out of good
> judgment.
Perhaps the United Nations should, but why should Israel?
> Instead, they keep thinking that they'll find peace at the end
> of a gun.
As opposed to whom? Name a nation who doesn't hold to that belief. Japan?
Hmmm. Maybe now. And of course there's Gandhi and Martin Luther King, not
countries really, but enormously influential individuals, but in the end, both
were assassinated by -- you guessed it -- gunmen. That doesn't mean that they
were wrong, just a large footnote tacked to their CV's. That's not to say that
I too haven't wondered whatever became of all that Jewish genius -- how did
Israel manage to get locked into this self-defeating war of attrition, this
mentality of Third Reich militarism, but that's my perspective, they probably
don't see it that way.
> That's what I said once before,
> imagine if Israel offered to feed the hungry children. Instead, they
> destroy a country. That's not moral standing.
Is blowing up innocent Israelis "moral standing?" What the fuck are you
talking about? Why don't the Arab nations feed the hungry children? God knows
they've got goopoohs of money. No one is innocent here. There are no good
guys, no bad guys, just a bunch of very stupid, stupid, stupid guys, sicut erat
in principio, et nunc et semper et in secula seculorum. Amen.
I haven't read the vast majority of the posts on this thread because I think
everyone on this list is pretty much as stupid as I am about the Middle East.
I do not trust our Government in its policies, I don't trust Israel or any of
the Middle East participants whatsoever. And what does it matter what I think
anyway? Or any of us? Do you think the Bush apparatchiks read us? Ha! They
don't even read themselves, each knows and they'll play their death games until
they tire of them. You can thank George Bush for this. Thank him for doing
nothing to bring peace to the Middle East since he's been in office.
Mike Geary
Memphis
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