The association of the American Left with Radical Islam has been demonstrated by a number of writers. They have speculated about why this is the case. Read for example, Unholy Alliance, Radical Islam and the American Left by David Horowitz. This Anti-Americanism is consistent with its European cousin. Read Jean-Francois Revel's Anti-Americanism, Bruce Bawer's While Europe Slept, How Radical Islam is destroying the west from within, Claire Berlinski's Menace in Europe, why the continent's Crisis is America's too, Jonathan Fenby's France on the Brink, a Great Civilization Faces the New Century. There has been so much written on this, I must believe it is common knowledge. Leftist writers and Islamists use the same anti-American arguments. They borrow from each other. They support each other's causes. Way back after 9/11, before Bush did anything, I hoped he was going to have the guts to oppose the Islamists, but I had my doubts. I voiced them on whatever discussion group I was in at the time - Bush had no experience. His platform didn't include anything that was remotely warlike. Since then he has conducted the war against the Islamists in a creditable fashion. Critics are entitled to argue that Bush used too few troops and didn't do this or that right in regard to managing the war, but Leftists and Islamists argue that the Islamists are right and America is wrong. Whatever America does is for some underhanded reason. We want to get Iraqi oil. We want to prop up thugs here and there. We want to advance our empire. The list goes on and on. Read speeches by Ward Churchill and Osama bin Laden to enlarge the list. You haven't written enough for me to know which category you are in. Are you in the loyal opposition like Joe Lieberman? Do you think someone like Kerry could have done a better job of conducting the war? Fine. But the Leftists I'm describing believe America should be defeated by the Islamists. It believes that it deserved to have its world trade center destroyed on 9/11. Such Leftists have declared common cause with the Radical Islamists. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stan Spiegel Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:52 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler problem? L.H. "Leftists seek out new opportunities to attack the U.S. while the Islamic Fascists remain unopposed by them. " Where and how do you come up with such garbage, Lawrence? Leftists are anti-American? What makes you think that? If I'm what you call a "leftist," it's not America I attack when I criticize the White House and this administration, it's Bush, his unrelenting incompetence, his lack of concern for the public interest, his focus on comforting the comfortable and afflicting the afflicted, his willingness to lie to us at every turn, etc. Are you so unaware of our history that you consider criticizing Bush as anti-American rather than patriotic? Dissent, from what you seem to be saying, is unacceptable. Is that what you're saying? And Leftists are unopposed to the Islamic crazies out there? For such a bright guy, you leave me bewildered. Stan Spiegel Portland, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler problem? Perhaps I was hasty in assuming the worst. I have history books as well as Charles Taylor on my desk in front of me and have noticed how difficult it is to break loose from the Climate of Opinion that is prevalent in one's country at the time one lives. The current Leftist climate of opinion comprises, in effect, a pro-Islamist or pro-Islamic-Fascist stance. Instead of opposing the Islamic-Fascists, they oppose the U.S. Notice all the responses I've received since broaching these subjects. Leftists seek out new opportunities to attack the U.S. while the Islamic Fascists remain unopposed by them. And they see nothing strange in that. I find that remarkable. I thought it interesting to hypothesize the taking of Leftist Americans, functioning under their current pro-Fascist anti-American climate of opinion and transporting them back to America of the 1930s. With such a climate of opinion, could they do anything but oppose our going to war against Hitler? The prevalent climate of opinion of the 30s wasn't quite theirs. It was one of leaving the Europeans to stew in their own juice. While the majority was opposed to going to war, it wasn't anti-American. Lawrence