[lit-ideas] Re: Aren't you glad you no longer have a Hitler problem?

  • From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:15:24 -0500

LH:

So today it is easier to be an atheist than a Christian in Europe, and it is getting that way in the U.S. as well.<<


A picayunish point, but that's arrant nonsense and you know it. According to an article in Wikipedia:

" A 2004 survey by the BBC in 10 countries showed the proportion of the population "who don't believe in God" varying between 0% and 44%, with an average close to 17% in the countries surveyed. About 8% of the respondents stated specifically that they consider themselves to be atheists.[18] A 2004 survey by the CIA in the World Factbook estimates about 12.5% of the world's population are non-religious, and about 2.4% are atheists.[19] A 2004 survey by the Pew Research Center showed that in the United States, 12% of people under 30 and 6% of people over 30 could be characterized as non-religious.[20] A 2005 poll by AP/Ipsos surveyed ten countries. Of the developed nations, people in the United States had most certainty about the existence of god or a higher power (2% atheist, 4% agnostic), while France had the most skeptics (19% atheist, 16% agnostic). On the religion question, South Korea had the greatest percentage without a religion (41%) while Italy had the smallest (5%).[21]
"Some studies have suggested that atheism is particularly prevalent among scientists, a tendency already quite marked at the beginning of the 20th century, developing into a dominant one during the course of the century. In 1914, James H. Leuba found that 58% of 1,000 randomly selected U.S. natural scientists expressed "disbelief or doubt in the existence of God". The same study, repeated in 1996, gave a similar percentage of 60.7%; this number is 93% among the members of the National Academy of Sciences. Expressions of positive disbelief rose from 52% to 72%.[22] However, studies following Leuba's methods and questions only demonstrate disbelief in a specific type of God - a personal God which interacts directly with human beings. Restriction to this version of "God" makes the study unlikely to give a true sense of the percentage of atheists, and instead gives only a percentage of those rejecting this particular type of deity. Based on the questions in the study, many deists would have been classified as atheists." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism



Apparently Christianity isn't under attack except perhaps by intelligence. It is getting a little bit easier to own up to being a non-believer, I'll grant you -- in certain areas at least.



LH:
Bush's numbers are down, but what will the Democrats have to offer as an alternative.<<

Nothing. Except for a very precious few they're all empty suits.


LH:
Insofar as the War Against Terror is concerned, can any Democrat say anything else and expect to be elected? And if he says nothing else, why should the American voters think a Democrat would be a better warrior against Terror than a Republican?<<

Yes, the Democrats can tell the American people that the "War of Terrorism" is an necessary police action against Al Qaeda, an organization that brought death and injure upon us and from all apparent evidence intends to visit more of the same. They can tell the American people how the Republicans, in their ideological zeal to establish hegemonic colonies in the Middle East, fucked up the "war" against Al Qaeda so royally that they have in fact vastly increased their number and support for their goals, that the Republicans have turned America into a reviled country across the world by our Guantanamo gulag, by our embracing of torture and the disappearing of people into secret prisons around the world. They can tell the American voters how many tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed in our attempt to establish Iraq as our home base in the Middle East. They can tell them about the crime this country has committed by destroying that society, that culture, that country all in name of cheap oil. They can tell the American voters that the Bush Administration abandoned the war on terror in March 2003 when it invaded Iraq to establish it as our colony only to spur North Korea and Iran into nuclear ambitions. They can remind the American voters that all this was done through lies, lies, lies told to them by the top leadership of the Bush Administration. They can tell the American people that they (the Democrats) who voted to authorize Bush to use military force deserve one last chance to make right their terrible wrong. They can beg forgiveness of the voters for their political and moral cowardice and plead for this one last chance to make it right, agreeing that if they don't make it right, they should all be shipped to the Hague and hung for crimes against humanity. They can tell the American voter that this is not a war against Islamism. It's a police action against terrorist gangs. They can tell the American voters that this country's ever increasing descent into theocratic fascism and totalitarianism and secret police statism will be stopped dead in its tracks. They can tell the American voters that if they want to be safe, they'll have to pay the cost -- not of war, but of justice. We must begin withdrawing our troops and set in place a Marshall Plan to rebuild that country -- the cradle of civilization, the HOME of us all, the home we destroyed in the name of cheap oil. Globalism must cut both ways, it must make everyone's life richer, not just ours. The Democrats must tell the American voters that we have no lock on the truth, that in fact we're a spiritually deprived culture, that we have as much to learn spiritually from Islam as they have materially from us. Honesty -- wow! Wouldn't that be a novel approach to politics.


Mike Geary
Pastor
Church of the Damned
Memphis, Tennessee
Just another hole in the Bible Belt.








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