Urias McCullough wrote:
On 5/20/07, Simon Taylor <simontaylor1@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:> Koki said: > > These changes would not be intrinsically intended to create a separate > distribution from the official one, but simply to make the Haiku demo > experience more accessible and interesting, and therefore enhance its > promotional effect.If Haiku considered itself in a state ready to be handed out as a demo CD, there would be an official pre-alpha demo release. There isn't (not sure on the VMWare image you mentioned), for the reason that the experience is not yet anything like R1 should be. Yes, so it basically works - which is great to see if you're an ex-BeOSer who thought the goal unattainable - but it's unoptimised and pretty slow, still pretty buggy, and not all that stable.Haiku needed to consider itself in a state ready to hand out as demo CDs years ago - when they needed to find developers. It didn't, it hasn't, and it doesn't appear to have any intentions to before the end of this year. What were all the BeOS DR versions for again? How many long-time BeOS users were introduced to the DR versions? The fact is, you can't attract developers by standing on your island and screaming at them with a megaphone - you have to enter their domain and leave your message where they'll trip over it.The fact that there isn't a base distribution yet does make hard to know what to do with people wanting to build stuff now. I don't think allowing the use of the Haiku name is the way to go though. The disclaimer "not the official Haiku distribution" could be changed until such a distro exists.It is very unfortunate that there's no base "distro". But even if there was, what software would be included? Has anyone even started thinking about this? Has it even been discussed? Is there a list being maintained somewhere that community hasn't seen? Some people are obviously putting in the effort to generate this list themselves - people like vaspers of BeOS Max and the Pingwinek author. Maybe it's time to tap their talent and desire to help and get the ball rolling. All it takes is a couple emails and I suspect things will start to happen.In the case of a CD produced to demo at a single event, say SCaLE, the distro could be called "SCaLE 2007 Demo", and then lower down on the CD it could include the text: "This CD is based on pre-release Haiku code. The Haiku project will release an official distribution of the OS when it is ready. For information about the official Haiku project, please visit http://haiku-os.org. This software is work in progress and has missing functionality as well as many (known and unknown) bugs. Use at your own risk.We are not affiliated with Haiku, do not contact them for support."That's very interesting - marketing to developers and technical users with a demo CD and then treating them like average users... That seems like an effective way to turn away potential developers. The disclaimer is fine - but I would replace the last line with something to the effect of: "We support Haiku's efforts, if you are a developer or otherwise interested in improving the quality of this fledgling OS, please contact Haiku to help!" You get more flies with honey right?
Nothing beat being creative. That's a great idea Urias. :) Cheers, Koki