[gmpi] Re: 3.14 UIs
- From: "gogins@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <gogins@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: gmpi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:21:14 -0400
In what sense does FLTK (or substitute your favorite already existing
cross-platform GUI toolkit here) not meet this need?
It seems to me the only thing GMPI has to do is what the VST GUI does: give
the plugin developer a native window handle. FLTK, for example, makes it
easy enough to make the plugin GUI the only child of that window, filling
it completely.
Or the host can give the plugin the parent window handle and a region to
paint in - the plugin can attach a child window, do raw painting, use
OpenGL, or whatever.
Original Message:
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From: Chris Grigg gmpi-public@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:48:39 -0700
To: gmpi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gmpi] Re: 3.14 UIs
Jeff said:
> > In other words the proposal
>> is to launch GMPI sans developer-provided GUI of any kind, just
>> host-provided auto-built generic GUI. OK, then I have to ask some
>> kind of tough, but helpfully meant, questions about the whole GMPI
>> project. Do you think that's really realistic for a new plug-in
>> format?
>
>Completely realistic.
> Any well designed audio system will maintain a clean seperation from the
>GUI. In VST's case, they provide next to zero graphics support ( an empty
>window, that's it).
From a narrow perspective this is true, it's external, but from a
product dev perspective there's always libvstgui.
>In AU's case, they provide an abstract way to connect
>'listeners' (GUI elements) to parameters.
AU is Mac OS X only, so there is an unambiguous graphics environment.
>Both formats are big successes.
Both formats have graphics libs that cover all the platforms they run on!
>VSTGUI is a completely seperate project, and rightly so. All attempts at
>cross-platform graphics are compromises, hence serious developers prefer to
>'roll their own' or make the extra effort to provide 'native' GUIs.
>
>GMPI will be a success if it's API is portable, that dosn't mean GMPI has
to
>be a java-like cross-platform development environment.
>
> Sure, it will be nice to have a cross-platform graphics kit, I'm not
>against that, I just want to maintain a focus on our core task.
I'm all for that, just suggesting we should keep the bigger picture
in some part of our mind, and that some GUI thing needs to
materialize before anyone is going to start doing serious GMPI
product development. If there's no way to do developer-provided GUI
in GMPI, the format is IMHO gonna tank.
-- Chris G.
>
>Best Regards,
>Jeff
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