[geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus.. Nick & Dan
- From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 00:55:10 +0100 (BST)
Yes, interesting point, Nick, though I have to state that you are tacitly
assuming that 1 Peter (and 2 Peter, I presume) were actually written by the
disciple, Simon Peter. I have already said that, in my opinion, they were both
forgeries written by Saul of Tarsus.
You don't agree with my claim, I know, but nevertheless it needs to be
clarified, for the benefit of our debate.
Neville.
"Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
All,
Thank you Philip for a great discussion, which goes to the heart of much of
what is wrong today.
I wanted to add one tidbit. You mentioned there is no "Biblical evidence" that
Peter went to Rome. Perhaps there is no absolute Biblical "proof" (though
there is historical proof), but I understand there is actually some Biblical
"evidence".It is apparently understood by scholars that Peter's greetings from
"Babylon" referred to the common, derisive name given to Rome by first-century
Jews and Christians. Stephen Ray recounts this in the book I mentioned the
other day. The Haydock commentary in the Douay-Rheims Bible also discusses
this (in the footnote for I Peter 5:13). This passage in Peter refers to the
"church, which is in Babylon". The ancients understood this to mean in Rome,
so called not only on account of the extent of its empire, but also for its
idolatry and vices. Haydock goes on to say "In this text, where all the lights
of antiquity understand Rome by Babylon, they [referring to certain seceders]
deny it; and in the book of Revelations, where all evil is
spoken
of Babylon, there they will have it signify nothing else but Rome: yes, and
the Church of Rome, not (as the holy Fathers interpret it) the temporal state
of the heathen empire."
Regards,
Nick.
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