Philip M Oh! Philip, you are a card! [:-) I agree with your first point. Second point -- consensus is not about accepting the status quo. It is the generally agreed outcome of a debate surely? Third point -- I have real difficulties with this one if the hierachy to which you refer is human (I'm less sure about superhuman). For me, truth is what is. Very closely, it is what can be demonstrated. (I note you spelled it with a T and I spelled it with a t). (Ah! I've just noticed Compromise. Were you just lazy about concensus?) Paul D ----- Original Message ---- From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, 4 June, 2007 9:53:31 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Climate change Ja : Your continued use of this is a sign of the superior, holier than thou attitude of an elitist! And that is not reasonable - except to an elitist. Paul: Now who's getting personal? When a compliment is given Paul, don't knock it... I believe in class distinction There are three standards ultimately. 1. Compromise:= sharing some truth and some error. 2. concensus := accepting the status quo, there being no substantial opposition, true or false. 3. Truth: = hierarchial, allows for niether 1 nor 2. Phil. (elitist) _________________________________________________________________________________ How would you spend $50,000 to create a more sustainable environment in Australia? Go to Yahoo!7 Answers and share your idea. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/aunz/lifestyle/answers/y7ans-babp_reg.html