[geocentrism] Re: Climate change
- From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:48:18 +0000 (GMT)
JA
I really must take issue with most of the points in your post From j a Mon Jun
4 22:24:03 2007.
1) Reguardless of any definition - Concensus as used by the warming crowd is
something like "All of the properly edjucated and degreed professionals who
work in the approved fields agree except for a few misguided individuals".
OK -- paraphrased to reflect your particular prejudices, but pretty close.
First it's not true,
Do you know this or are you just being influenced by others? If you know --
what is your reasoning? If you just believe it's true -- why not say so?
second it's wrong to put your faith in these kinds of statements.
Why? It seems to me you put your faith in statements by others, as evidenced by
little or no reasoning. And I would appreciate your not ascribing my actions to
'faith' -- it smacks of religious indoctrination. I have 'confidence' in the
sources I quote.
I suppose it's to much to ask for you to recognise the type of conspiracy
behind this statement
Ah! conspiracy. Nobody does anything except they see profit from it. Just where
-- and I've posed this question a number of times without getting a straight
forward answer on those rare occasions that I got any answer -- is the profit,
in this instance, from preaching global warming?
where the only peolple whos opinion counts are people who have been trained
what the opinion should be
What is your justification for this assumption? Do you have a degree which
included opinion training? Do you know any 'degreed' person who has told you
about opinion training? Have you seen reports from people you don't know who
have reported opinion training? Or is it just that ' ... everyone knows ... '?
and in fact thier job and/or grand money is dependant upon sharing that opinion.
I agree that it's difficult the buck the majority -- just look at the problems
encountered by all those 'unconventional' priests, pastors and prelates. But
this is as it should be. If you want to rock the boat, you must be able to
convince the majority that you are right. If this were not not so then every
organisation in the world would be rendered powerless as they strive to
implement the opinion gleaned from this afternoon's poll which modified
yesterday's poll which overturned last week's poll ... Or they could proceed
unilaterally on the assumption that they are right, disregarding all advice to
the contrary. Of course there is the other way -- you don't take polls, or seek
advice you just stride into the town centre with a band of enforcers, make your
pronouncement, shoot a few of the objectors and entrench your position. It'll
take longer, but sooner or later another group who just knows you are wrong and
that the people long for deliverance will similarly stride
into town with a bigger group of enforcers and the process escalates, pretty
much as is happening in several Arab countries even as we speak.
No -- the answer lies in reasoned debate among learned folk who reach consensus
and convince the elected (hopefully) government of the correctness of their
position who are entrusted with the task of legislating the future direction of
the society. If a mistake is made, and many would, with some justification,
contend that we have a recent glaring example before us at this time, there is
always another election just ahead (or if you use the latter method -- a
revolution a bit further down the track).
No system is perfect, but the one we have works rather better than so many
alternative models. It really gets interesting of course when we start having
arguments about changing the system but that is a bit beyond the scope of this
lesson. |[:-)
2) Increased sun activity causing increasing temps on other planet can be
easily looked up and has been reported many places - I cannot believe you
haven't heard about it.
I have heard about it.
If true, does it not lend credibility to the idea that global warming sould be
caused by it,
Here you repeat a mistake which I pointed out yesterday. It is not the Sun OR
CO2.
The Earth has several sources of energy of which I am aware though I cannot
quantify them -- I lack the qualifications necessary. The largest I believe is
the incident solar flux -- sunlight, about 1kW/m2 of a disk of the Earth's
diameter. I recall reading that if this were removed, then over time, the
average temperature would fall to ~-40 deg C. Next we have natural radioactive
decay. There are a number of these decay sequences but I am even less able to
quantify these. Then we have friction from tidal forces resulting from
Earth/Moon interaction. Again no quantification, but if you care to look, you
can find support for the idea that this force is responsible for the
extraordinary volcanism on Io orbiting Jupiter so the effect is real. Who knows
though, even here you may find a dissenting view you could champion. Lastly we
have the actions of Man.
My point in all this is that the Earth's temperature is determined by many
factors, not just a choice between incident solar flux and the percentage of
CO2 in the atmosphere. To get an answer you must do the sums and that is what
the consensus of climate scientists claims to have done. At this time I have
confidence that they are, if not correct, then at least espousing a course of
action of which a prudent man should take heed.
indeed perhaps all of the cycles of heating and cooling in the past are the
result of the suns changing output?
I have no doubt that the Sun has changed its output and that it has had an
effect on the Earth's temperature over a great period of time. The trap into
which one should take care not to fall is the assumption that it is the only
factor or even that it is the only factor worth considering.
Oops! its late, I gotta stop,
Hope your sleep was not interrupted by impressions of being slowly baked.
Paul D
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