Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:47:35 +0200

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On 16 Feb 2015 16:44, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> If you're asking me I would probably go swim in some pollution and die.
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 16:40, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiousity, if mankind did fuck things up royally for
>> everyone and nothing could be done to fix it, what would your response be?
>> What would you do?
>> On 16 Feb 2015 16:31, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Stu so basically you reason that we won't make a fuck up so bad that we
>>> can't fix it ?
>>> I would rather play it safe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:29, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "then the price of commodities would rise over time. They don’t"
>>>>
>>>> Huh ?
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:27, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Happened in Russia as well, but he wasn't joking:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/russian-minister-urges-ci_n_702173.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  We’re digressing a lot here. Yeah, improvements in medical
>>>>>> techniques have made a huge difference to mortality rates and thus
>>>>>> population. I remember the minister of health in Slovakia telling people
>>>>>> that they should take up smoking so that they’d die earlier and save the
>>>>>> country some money. He was joking, but only a little.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The big thing is that if there are food shortages in the world (which
>>>>>> there still are), it’s not due to a lack of resources. The idea of ‘less 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> better’ for the environment is one of those great ideas that sounds right
>>>>>> and feels right and has zero basis in logic. The reason for that is that
>>>>>> humans don’t fit into any of the usual categories for nature. We adapt. 
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> improve our use of resources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there were issues with natural resources, then the price of
>>>>>> commodities would rise over time. They don’t. We improve our techniques 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the use of resources. Demand decreases, despite population growth. That’s
>>>>>> the kinds of creature we are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:16 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not every country improved their farming techniques though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Overpopulation isn't the only issue that cause starvation or scarce
>>>>>> in food supplies. Better medical also contributes A LOT. People are 
>>>>>> living
>>>>>> longer than they did years ago. So there's new mouths to feed and old 
>>>>>> mouth
>>>>>> to feed where in the past it was just the new mouth we need to feed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  You’re talking about sustainability there. Sure we need more
>>>>>> farmlands, fish, general natural resources. We also improve our farming
>>>>>> techniques, genetically modify wheat crops, start fish farms, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are more trees on the planet today than there were 30 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> China can stop farming as long as it can afford to import food. Japan
>>>>>> hasn’t produced enough food for its population for years. The US 
>>>>>> produces a
>>>>>> massive excess. When you hit the point where you have people with cash, 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> not food, people will go back to farming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:59 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a government and population dynamics, it varies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But as for the world, nature and ecosystem...less is better. Since we
>>>>>> need more farmlands, fish more, cut down more trees, etc. To supply our
>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another issue for more people is that doesn't mean more things is
>>>>>> being produced either. A lot of chinese farmers have stop farming because
>>>>>> they want to move into the cities and become happy and rich like how the
>>>>>> media promote it. That's one reason why rice supply in China is 
>>>>>> plummeting.
>>>>>> Not everyone wants to become a farmer when you can sit in air conditioned
>>>>>> rooms and work 9-5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Food is only an issue in some countries. I know china needs to switch
>>>>>> to insects soon since rice isn't supplying enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on
>>>>>> multiplying and everything will be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Come on Stu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in
>>>>>> the middle of all of this though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the
>>>>>> population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with
>>>>>> population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in
>>>>>> terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply 
>>>>>> wanting
>>>>>> even more?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the thing
>>>>>> in half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but my 
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> is that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to base how
>>>>>> much they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to overestimate 
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> much the really need :P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  What?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Less people ~ less things needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or
>>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not
>>>>>> multiply like crazy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can
>>>>>> have" thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most
>>>>>> people would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they
>>>>>> completely disregard it as someone else's problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically Stu hates Earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
>>>>>> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's
>>>>>> fine because everyone receiving is also paying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with
>>>>>> resource distribution. People tend to want more than what they really 
>>>>>> need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more
>>>>>> than enough food for the whole planet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
>>>>>> actually one of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there
>>>>>> are just too many of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
>>>>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fuck politics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HBD Jag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If
>>>>>> you're whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's 
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> the idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or
>>>>>> foreigners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to
>>>>>> japan by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants
>>>>>> went in to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the
>>>>>> thai tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not 
>>>>>> lining
>>>>>> up, etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they
>>>>>> hate other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they
>>>>>> just want to be around their own kind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Pride?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too
>>>>>> surprise they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and
>>>>>> xenophobic among themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone
>>>>>> else. Etc. Too much pride in their own race and country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy
>>>>>> covers some similar stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and
>>>>>> there was a big stink.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+
>>>>>> now where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust
>>>>>> ffs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the
>>>>>> world and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old 
>>>>>> grandma.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs
>>>>>> on them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She is 83 now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  HBD Jagson.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Japan please...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haha thanks guys :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
>>>>>> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> his birthday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other news, HDB Jag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HBD Jag!
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