Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:29:35 +0200

"then the price of commodities would rise over time. They don’t"

Huh ?

On 16 February 2015 at 16:27, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Happened in Russia as well, but he wasn't joking:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/russian-minister-urges-ci_n_702173.html
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  We’re digressing a lot here. Yeah, improvements in medical techniques
>> have made a huge difference to mortality rates and thus population. I
>> remember the minister of health in Slovakia telling people that they should
>> take up smoking so that they’d die earlier and save the country some money.
>> He was joking, but only a little.
>>
>>
>>
>> The big thing is that if there are food shortages in the world (which
>> there still are), it’s not due to a lack of resources. The idea of ‘less is
>> better’ for the environment is one of those great ideas that sounds right
>> and feels right and has zero basis in logic. The reason for that is that
>> humans don’t fit into any of the usual categories for nature. We adapt. We
>> improve our use of resources.
>>
>>
>>
>> If there were issues with natural resources, then the price of
>> commodities would rise over time. They don’t. We improve our techniques and
>> the use of resources. Demand decreases, despite population growth. That’s
>> the kinds of creature we are.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:16 PM
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> Not every country improved their farming techniques though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Overpopulation isn't the only issue that cause starvation or scarce in
>> food supplies. Better medical also contributes A LOT. People are living
>> longer than they did years ago. So there's new mouths to feed and old mouth
>> to feed where in the past it was just the new mouth we need to feed.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  You’re talking about sustainability there. Sure we need more farmlands,
>> fish, general natural resources. We also improve our farming techniques,
>> genetically modify wheat crops, start fish farms, etc.
>>
>> There are more trees on the planet today than there were 30 years ago.
>>
>>
>>
>> China can stop farming as long as it can afford to import food. Japan
>> hasn’t produced enough food for its population for years. The US produces a
>> massive excess. When you hit the point where you have people with cash, but
>> not food, people will go back to farming.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:59 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> In a government and population dynamics, it varies.
>>
>>
>>
>> But as for the world, nature and ecosystem...less is better. Since we
>> need more farmlands, fish more, cut down more trees, etc. To supply our
>> needs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another issue for more people is that doesn't mean more things is being
>> produced either. A lot of chinese farmers have stop farming because they
>> want to move into the cities and become happy and rich like how the media
>> promote it. That's one reason why rice supply in China is plummeting. Not
>> everyone wants to become a farmer when you can sit in air conditioned rooms
>> and work 9-5.
>>
>>
>>
>> Food is only an issue in some countries. I know china needs to switch to
>> insects soon since rice isn't supplying enough.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on multiplying
>> and everything will be fine.
>>
>> Come on Stu.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in the
>> middle of all of this though.
>>
>>
>>
>> If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the
>> population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with
>> population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in
>> terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply wanting
>> even more?
>>
>>
>>
>> My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the thing in
>> half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but my point is
>> that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to base how much
>> they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to overestimate how much
>> the really need :P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  What?
>>
>> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
>>
>> Less people ~ less things needed.
>>
>> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or whatever.
>>
>> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not
>> multiply like crazy.
>>
>> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can have"
>> thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most people
>> would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
>>
>> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they
>> completely disregard it as someone else's problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Basically Stu hates Earth.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
>> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>>
>> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's fine
>> because everyone receiving is also paying.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with resource
>> distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Huh?
>>
>> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than
>> enough food for the whole planet.
>>
>> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
>> actually one of them.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there are
>> just too many of us.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>>
>> Fuck politics.
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>>
>> :P
>>
>> HBD Jag.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're
>> whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the
>> idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or foreigners.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to
>> japan by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants
>> went in to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the
>> thai tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining
>> up, etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>>
>> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they
>> hate other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they
>> just want to be around their own kind.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Pride?
>>
>> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise
>> they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among
>> themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much
>> pride in their own race and country.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy covers
>> some similar stuff.
>>
>> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there
>> was a big stink.
>>
>> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now
>> where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs.
>>
>>
>>
>> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world
>> and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>>
>> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>>
>> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs on
>> them.
>>
>> She is 83 now.
>>
>> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  HBD Jagson.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Japan please...
>>
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Haha thanks guys :)
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>>
>>
>> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
>> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was
>> his birthday.
>>
>>
>>
>> In other news, HDB Jag.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>
>>
>>
>> HBD Jag!
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