Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:36:28 +0200

Yes what?

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> "then the price of commodities would rise over time. They don’t"
>
> Huh ?
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 16:27, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Happened in Russia as well, but he wasn't joking:
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/russian-minister-urges-ci_n_702173.html
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>  We’re digressing a lot here. Yeah, improvements in medical techniques
>>> have made a huge difference to mortality rates and thus population. I
>>> remember the minister of health in Slovakia telling people that they should
>>> take up smoking so that they’d die earlier and save the country some money.
>>> He was joking, but only a little.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The big thing is that if there are food shortages in the world (which
>>> there still are), it’s not due to a lack of resources. The idea of ‘less is
>>> better’ for the environment is one of those great ideas that sounds right
>>> and feels right and has zero basis in logic. The reason for that is that
>>> humans don’t fit into any of the usual categories for nature. We adapt. We
>>> improve our use of resources.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If there were issues with natural resources, then the price of
>>> commodities would rise over time. They don’t. We improve our techniques and
>>> the use of resources. Demand decreases, despite population growth. That’s
>>> the kinds of creature we are.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:16 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not every country improved their farming techniques though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Overpopulation isn't the only issue that cause starvation or scarce in
>>> food supplies. Better medical also contributes A LOT. People are living
>>> longer than they did years ago. So there's new mouths to feed and old mouth
>>> to feed where in the past it was just the new mouth we need to feed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  You’re talking about sustainability there. Sure we need more
>>> farmlands, fish, general natural resources. We also improve our farming
>>> techniques, genetically modify wheat crops, start fish farms, etc.
>>>
>>> There are more trees on the planet today than there were 30 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> China can stop farming as long as it can afford to import food. Japan
>>> hasn’t produced enough food for its population for years. The US produces a
>>> massive excess. When you hit the point where you have people with cash, but
>>> not food, people will go back to farming.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:59 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a government and population dynamics, it varies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But as for the world, nature and ecosystem...less is better. Since we
>>> need more farmlands, fish more, cut down more trees, etc. To supply our
>>> needs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another issue for more people is that doesn't mean more things is being
>>> produced either. A lot of chinese farmers have stop farming because they
>>> want to move into the cities and become happy and rich like how the media
>>> promote it. That's one reason why rice supply in China is plummeting. Not
>>> everyone wants to become a farmer when you can sit in air conditioned rooms
>>> and work 9-5.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Food is only an issue in some countries. I know china needs to switch to
>>> insects soon since rice isn't supplying enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on
>>> multiplying and everything will be fine.
>>>
>>> Come on Stu.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in the
>>> middle of all of this though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the
>>> population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with
>>> population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in
>>> terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply wanting
>>> even more?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the thing in
>>> half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but my point is
>>> that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to base how much
>>> they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to overestimate how much
>>> the really need :P
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  What?
>>>
>>> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
>>>
>>> Less people ~ less things needed.
>>>
>>> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or whatever.
>>>
>>> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not
>>> multiply like crazy.
>>>
>>> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can have"
>>> thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most
>>> people would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
>>>
>>> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they
>>> completely disregard it as someone else's problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Basically Stu hates Earth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
>>> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>>>
>>> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's
>>> fine because everyone receiving is also paying.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with resource
>>> distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Huh?
>>>
>>> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than
>>> enough food for the whole planet.
>>>
>>> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
>>> actually one of them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there
>>> are just too many of us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>>>
>>> Fuck politics.
>>>
>>> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>>>
>>> :P
>>>
>>> HBD Jag.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're
>>> whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the
>>> idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or foreigners.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to
>>> japan by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants
>>> went in to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the
>>> thai tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining
>>> up, etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>>>
>>> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they
>>> hate other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they
>>> just want to be around their own kind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Pride?
>>>
>>> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise
>>> they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among
>>> themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much
>>> pride in their own race and country.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy covers
>>> some similar stuff.
>>>
>>> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there
>>> was a big stink.
>>>
>>> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now
>>> where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world
>>> and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>>>
>>> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>>>
>>> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs on
>>> them.
>>>
>>> She is 83 now.
>>>
>>> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  HBD Jagson.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>>>
>>> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Japan please...
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>>>
>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Haha thanks guys :)
>>>
>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
>>> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was
>>> his birthday.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In other news, HDB Jag.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HBD Jag!
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