Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:27:09 +0200

Happened in Russia as well, but he wasn't joking:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/russian-minister-urges-ci_n_702173.html

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  We’re digressing a lot here. Yeah, improvements in medical techniques
> have made a huge difference to mortality rates and thus population. I
> remember the minister of health in Slovakia telling people that they should
> take up smoking so that they’d die earlier and save the country some money.
> He was joking, but only a little.
>
>
>
> The big thing is that if there are food shortages in the world (which
> there still are), it’s not due to a lack of resources. The idea of ‘less is
> better’ for the environment is one of those great ideas that sounds right
> and feels right and has zero basis in logic. The reason for that is that
> humans don’t fit into any of the usual categories for nature. We adapt. We
> improve our use of resources.
>
>
>
> If there were issues with natural resources, then the price of commodities
> would rise over time. They don’t. We improve our techniques and the use of
> resources. Demand decreases, despite population growth. That’s the kinds of
> creature we are.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:16 PM
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Not every country improved their farming techniques though.
>
>
>
> Overpopulation isn't the only issue that cause starvation or scarce in
> food supplies. Better medical also contributes A LOT. People are living
> longer than they did years ago. So there's new mouths to feed and old mouth
> to feed where in the past it was just the new mouth we need to feed.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  You’re talking about sustainability there. Sure we need more farmlands,
> fish, general natural resources. We also improve our farming techniques,
> genetically modify wheat crops, start fish farms, etc.
>
> There are more trees on the planet today than there were 30 years ago.
>
>
>
> China can stop farming as long as it can afford to import food. Japan
> hasn’t produced enough food for its population for years. The US produces a
> massive excess. When you hit the point where you have people with cash, but
> not food, people will go back to farming.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:59 PM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> In a government and population dynamics, it varies.
>
>
>
> But as for the world, nature and ecosystem...less is better. Since we need
> more farmlands, fish more, cut down more trees, etc. To supply our needs.
>
>
>
> Another issue for more people is that doesn't mean more things is being
> produced either. A lot of chinese farmers have stop farming because they
> want to move into the cities and become happy and rich like how the media
> promote it. That's one reason why rice supply in China is plummeting. Not
> everyone wants to become a farmer when you can sit in air conditioned rooms
> and work 9-5.
>
>
>
> Food is only an issue in some countries. I know china needs to switch to
> insects soon since rice isn't supplying enough.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on multiplying
> and everything will be fine.
>
> Come on Stu.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in the
> middle of all of this though.
>
>
>
> If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the
> population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with
> population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in
> terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply wanting
> even more?
>
>
>
> My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the thing in
> half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but my point is
> that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to base how much
> they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to overestimate how much
> the really need :P
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  What?
>
> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
>
> Less people ~ less things needed.
>
> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or whatever.
>
> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not
> multiply like crazy.
>
> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can have"
> thing.
>
>
>
> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most people
> would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
>
> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they
> completely disregard it as someone else's problem.
>
>
>
> Basically Stu hates Earth.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>
> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's fine
> because everyone receiving is also paying.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with resource
> distribution. People tend to want more than what they really need.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Huh?
>
> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than
> enough food for the whole planet.
>
> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
> actually one of them.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there are
> just too many of us.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>
> Fuck politics.
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>
> :P
>
> HBD Jag.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If you're
> whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just the
> idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or foreigners.
>
>
>
> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to japan
> by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants went in
> to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the thai
> tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not lining up,
> etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>
> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they hate
> other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they just
> want to be around their own kind.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Pride?
>
> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too surprise
> they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and xenophobic among
> themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone else. Etc. Too much
> pride in their own race and country.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy covers
> some similar stuff.
>
> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and there
> was a big stink.
>
> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ now
> where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust ffs.
>
>
>
> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the world
> and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old grandma.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>
> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>
> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs on
> them.
>
> She is 83 now.
>
> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.
>
>
>
> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  HBD Jagson.
>
>
>
> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Japan please...
>
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Haha thanks guys :)
>
> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>
>
> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it was
> his birthday.
>
>
>
> In other news, HDB Jag.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> HBD Jag!
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