Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:44:05 +0200

If you're asking me I would probably go swim in some pollution and die.

On 16 February 2015 at 16:40, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Just out of curiousity, if mankind did fuck things up royally for everyone
> and nothing could be done to fix it, what would your response be? What
> would you do?
> On 16 Feb 2015 16:31, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Stu so basically you reason that we won't make a fuck up so bad that we
>> can't fix it ?
>> I would rather play it safe.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:29, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "then the price of commodities would rise over time. They don’t"
>>>
>>> Huh ?
>>>
>>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:27, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Happened in Russia as well, but he wasn't joking:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/russian-minister-urges-ci_n_702173.html
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  We’re digressing a lot here. Yeah, improvements in medical
>>>>> techniques have made a huge difference to mortality rates and thus
>>>>> population. I remember the minister of health in Slovakia telling people
>>>>> that they should take up smoking so that they’d die earlier and save the
>>>>> country some money. He was joking, but only a little.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The big thing is that if there are food shortages in the world (which
>>>>> there still are), it’s not due to a lack of resources. The idea of ‘less 
>>>>> is
>>>>> better’ for the environment is one of those great ideas that sounds right
>>>>> and feels right and has zero basis in logic. The reason for that is that
>>>>> humans don’t fit into any of the usual categories for nature. We adapt. We
>>>>> improve our use of resources.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If there were issues with natural resources, then the price of
>>>>> commodities would rise over time. They don’t. We improve our techniques 
>>>>> and
>>>>> the use of resources. Demand decreases, despite population growth. That’s
>>>>> the kinds of creature we are.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:16 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not every country improved their farming techniques though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Overpopulation isn't the only issue that cause starvation or scarce in
>>>>> food supplies. Better medical also contributes A LOT. People are living
>>>>> longer than they did years ago. So there's new mouths to feed and old 
>>>>> mouth
>>>>> to feed where in the past it was just the new mouth we need to feed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  You’re talking about sustainability there. Sure we need more
>>>>> farmlands, fish, general natural resources. We also improve our farming
>>>>> techniques, genetically modify wheat crops, start fish farms, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are more trees on the planet today than there were 30 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> China can stop farming as long as it can afford to import food. Japan
>>>>> hasn’t produced enough food for its population for years. The US produces 
>>>>> a
>>>>> massive excess. When you hit the point where you have people with cash, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> not food, people will go back to farming.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:59 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a government and population dynamics, it varies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But as for the world, nature and ecosystem...less is better. Since we
>>>>> need more farmlands, fish more, cut down more trees, etc. To supply our
>>>>> needs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another issue for more people is that doesn't mean more things is
>>>>> being produced either. A lot of chinese farmers have stop farming because
>>>>> they want to move into the cities and become happy and rich like how the
>>>>> media promote it. That's one reason why rice supply in China is 
>>>>> plummeting.
>>>>> Not everyone wants to become a farmer when you can sit in air conditioned
>>>>> rooms and work 9-5.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Food is only an issue in some countries. I know china needs to switch
>>>>> to insects soon since rice isn't supplying enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on
>>>>> multiplying and everything will be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Come on Stu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in the
>>>>> middle of all of this though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the
>>>>> population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with
>>>>> population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in
>>>>> terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply wanting
>>>>> even more?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the thing
>>>>> in half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but my point
>>>>> is that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to base how
>>>>> much they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to overestimate 
>>>>> how
>>>>> much the really need :P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  What?
>>>>>
>>>>> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Less people ~ less things needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or
>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not
>>>>> multiply like crazy.
>>>>>
>>>>> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can
>>>>> have" thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most
>>>>> people would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
>>>>>
>>>>> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they
>>>>> completely disregard it as someone else's problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically Stu hates Earth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
>>>>> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's
>>>>> fine because everyone receiving is also paying.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with
>>>>> resource distribution. People tend to want more than what they really 
>>>>> need.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more than
>>>>> enough food for the whole planet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
>>>>> actually one of them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that there
>>>>> are just too many of us.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
>>>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fuck politics.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>>>>>
>>>>> :P
>>>>>
>>>>> HBD Jag.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If
>>>>> you're whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's just
>>>>> the idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or
>>>>> foreigners.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to
>>>>> japan by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants
>>>>> went in to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the
>>>>> thai tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not 
>>>>> lining
>>>>> up, etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>>>>>
>>>>> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that they
>>>>> hate other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that they
>>>>> just want to be around their own kind.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Pride?
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too
>>>>> surprise they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and
>>>>> xenophobic among themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone
>>>>> else. Etc. Too much pride in their own race and country.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy
>>>>> covers some similar stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and
>>>>> there was a big stink.
>>>>>
>>>>> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+
>>>>> now where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust
>>>>> ffs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the
>>>>> world and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old 
>>>>> grandma.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the bombs
>>>>> on them.
>>>>>
>>>>> She is 83 now.
>>>>>
>>>>> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  HBD Jagson.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Japan please...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Haha thanks guys :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
>>>>> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it 
>>>>> was
>>>>> his birthday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In other news, HDB Jag.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HBD Jag!
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