Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:50:07 +0200

Oh.
I get it.


On 16 February 2015 at 16:47, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> See, here'
> On 16 Feb 2015 16:44, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> If you're asking me I would probably go swim in some pollution and die.
>>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:40, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Just out of curiousity, if mankind did fuck things up royally for
>>> everyone and nothing could be done to fix it, what would your response be?
>>> What would you do?
>>> On 16 Feb 2015 16:31, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stu so basically you reason that we won't make a fuck up so bad that we
>>>> can't fix it ?
>>>> I would rather play it safe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:29, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "then the price of commodities would rise over time. They don’t"
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh ?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:27, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Happened in Russia as well, but he wasn't joking:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/russian-minister-urges-ci_n_702173.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  We’re digressing a lot here. Yeah, improvements in medical
>>>>>>> techniques have made a huge difference to mortality rates and thus
>>>>>>> population. I remember the minister of health in Slovakia telling people
>>>>>>> that they should take up smoking so that they’d die earlier and save the
>>>>>>> country some money. He was joking, but only a little.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The big thing is that if there are food shortages in the world
>>>>>>> (which there still are), it’s not due to a lack of resources. The idea 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> ‘less is better’ for the environment is one of those great ideas that
>>>>>>> sounds right and feels right and has zero basis in logic. The reason for
>>>>>>> that is that humans don’t fit into any of the usual categories for 
>>>>>>> nature.
>>>>>>> We adapt. We improve our use of resources.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there were issues with natural resources, then the price of
>>>>>>> commodities would rise over time. They don’t. We improve our techniques 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the use of resources. Demand decreases, despite population growth. 
>>>>>>> That’s
>>>>>>> the kinds of creature we are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:16 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not every country improved their farming techniques though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Overpopulation isn't the only issue that cause starvation or scarce
>>>>>>> in food supplies. Better medical also contributes A LOT. People are 
>>>>>>> living
>>>>>>> longer than they did years ago. So there's new mouths to feed and old 
>>>>>>> mouth
>>>>>>> to feed where in the past it was just the new mouth we need to feed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  You’re talking about sustainability there. Sure we need more
>>>>>>> farmlands, fish, general natural resources. We also improve our farming
>>>>>>> techniques, genetically modify wheat crops, start fish farms, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are more trees on the planet today than there were 30 years
>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> China can stop farming as long as it can afford to import food.
>>>>>>> Japan hasn’t produced enough food for its population for years. The US
>>>>>>> produces a massive excess. When you hit the point where you have people
>>>>>>> with cash, but not food, people will go back to farming.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:59 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a government and population dynamics, it varies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But as for the world, nature and ecosystem...less is better. Since
>>>>>>> we need more farmlands, fish more, cut down more trees, etc. To supply 
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another issue for more people is that doesn't mean more things is
>>>>>>> being produced either. A lot of chinese farmers have stop farming 
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> they want to move into the cities and become happy and rich like how the
>>>>>>> media promote it. That's one reason why rice supply in China is 
>>>>>>> plummeting.
>>>>>>> Not everyone wants to become a farmer when you can sit in air 
>>>>>>> conditioned
>>>>>>> rooms and work 9-5.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Food is only an issue in some countries. I know china needs to
>>>>>>> switch to insects soon since rice isn't supplying enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on
>>>>>>> multiplying and everything will be fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Come on Stu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in
>>>>>>> the middle of all of this though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the
>>>>>>> population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with
>>>>>>> population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in
>>>>>>> terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply 
>>>>>>> wanting
>>>>>>> even more?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the
>>>>>>> thing in half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but 
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> point is that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to 
>>>>>>> base
>>>>>>> how much they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to 
>>>>>>> overestimate
>>>>>>> how much the really need :P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  What?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Less people ~ less things needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or
>>>>>>> whatever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not
>>>>>>> multiply like crazy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can
>>>>>>> have" thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most
>>>>>>> people would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they
>>>>>>> completely disregard it as someone else's problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Basically Stu hates Earth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or
>>>>>>> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's
>>>>>>> fine because everyone receiving is also paying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with
>>>>>>> resource distribution. People tend to want more than what they really 
>>>>>>> need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Huh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more
>>>>>>> than enough food for the whole planet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t
>>>>>>> actually one of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel
>>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that
>>>>>>> there are just too many of us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
>>>>>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fuck politics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HBD Jag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If
>>>>>>> you're whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's 
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> the idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or
>>>>>>> foreigners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to
>>>>>>> japan by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants
>>>>>>> went in to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the
>>>>>>> thai tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not 
>>>>>>> lining
>>>>>>> up, etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Well there is a difference between pride and hating others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that
>>>>>>> they hate other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that
>>>>>>> they just want to be around their own kind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair <
>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Pride?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
>>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too
>>>>>>> surprise they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and
>>>>>>> xenophobic among themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone
>>>>>>> else. Etc. Too much pride in their own race and country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy
>>>>>>> covers some similar stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and
>>>>>>> there was a big stink.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+
>>>>>>> now where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust
>>>>>>> ffs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the
>>>>>>> world and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old 
>>>>>>> grandma.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the
>>>>>>> bombs on them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She is 83 now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit
>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel <
>>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  HBD Jagson.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Japan please...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Haha thanks guys :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" <
>>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this
>>>>>>> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it 
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> his birthday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In other news, HDB Jag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [
>>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HBD Jag!
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