Oh. I get it. On 16 February 2015 at 16:47, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > See, here' > On 16 Feb 2015 16:44, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> If you're asking me I would probably go swim in some pollution and die. >> >> On 16 February 2015 at 16:40, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Just out of curiousity, if mankind did fuck things up royally for >>> everyone and nothing could be done to fix it, what would your response be? >>> What would you do? >>> On 16 Feb 2015 16:31, "Stephen Scheidel" <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>> Stu so basically you reason that we won't make a fuck up so bad that we >>>> can't fix it ? >>>> I would rather play it safe. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:29, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "then the price of commodities would rise over time. They don’t" >>>>> >>>>> Huh ? >>>>> >>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 16:27, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Happened in Russia as well, but he wasn't joking: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/01/russian-minister-urges-ci_n_702173.html >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair < >>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We’re digressing a lot here. Yeah, improvements in medical >>>>>>> techniques have made a huge difference to mortality rates and thus >>>>>>> population. I remember the minister of health in Slovakia telling people >>>>>>> that they should take up smoking so that they’d die earlier and save the >>>>>>> country some money. He was joking, but only a little. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The big thing is that if there are food shortages in the world >>>>>>> (which there still are), it’s not due to a lack of resources. The idea >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> ‘less is better’ for the environment is one of those great ideas that >>>>>>> sounds right and feels right and has zero basis in logic. The reason for >>>>>>> that is that humans don’t fit into any of the usual categories for >>>>>>> nature. >>>>>>> We adapt. We improve our use of resources. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If there were issues with natural resources, then the price of >>>>>>> commodities would rise over time. They don’t. We improve our techniques >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the use of resources. Demand decreases, despite population growth. >>>>>>> That’s >>>>>>> the kinds of creature we are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: >>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong >>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 4:16 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not every country improved their farming techniques though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Overpopulation isn't the only issue that cause starvation or scarce >>>>>>> in food supplies. Better medical also contributes A LOT. People are >>>>>>> living >>>>>>> longer than they did years ago. So there's new mouths to feed and old >>>>>>> mouth >>>>>>> to feed where in the past it was just the new mouth we need to feed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair < >>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You’re talking about sustainability there. Sure we need more >>>>>>> farmlands, fish, general natural resources. We also improve our farming >>>>>>> techniques, genetically modify wheat crops, start fish farms, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are more trees on the planet today than there were 30 years >>>>>>> ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> China can stop farming as long as it can afford to import food. >>>>>>> Japan hasn’t produced enough food for its population for years. The US >>>>>>> produces a massive excess. When you hit the point where you have people >>>>>>> with cash, but not food, people will go back to farming. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: >>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong >>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:59 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a government and population dynamics, it varies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But as for the world, nature and ecosystem...less is better. Since >>>>>>> we need more farmlands, fish more, cut down more trees, etc. To supply >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> needs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another issue for more people is that doesn't mean more things is >>>>>>> being produced either. A lot of chinese farmers have stop farming >>>>>>> because >>>>>>> they want to move into the cities and become happy and rich like how the >>>>>>> media promote it. That's one reason why rice supply in China is >>>>>>> plummeting. >>>>>>> Not everyone wants to become a farmer when you can sit in air >>>>>>> conditioned >>>>>>> rooms and work 9-5. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Food is only an issue in some countries. I know china needs to >>>>>>> switch to insects soon since rice isn't supplying enough. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Stephen Scheidel < >>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just don't get how Stu seems to think we can just keep on >>>>>>> multiplying and everything will be fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Come on Stu. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:51, Stephen Scheidel < >>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah a middle ground understanding sounds good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:47, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> lol, I hear you. I think there's a happy compromise somewhere in >>>>>>> the middle of all of this though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If people simply consumed less one wouldn't need to cut down the >>>>>>> population. It's easier to adjust your lifestyle than it is to play with >>>>>>> population sizes I'd think. Also, even if you cut down the population in >>>>>>> terms of size, what's to stop the remaining population from simply >>>>>>> wanting >>>>>>> even more? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My wife and I share a meal at Burger King. We literally cut the >>>>>>> thing in half. I'm not saying everyone needs to share their burgers but >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> point is that one meal fills both of us sufficiently. People tend to >>>>>>> base >>>>>>> how much they eat on what size their meal comes in and tend to >>>>>>> overestimate >>>>>>> how much the really need :P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel < >>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You do realize that you need more things for more people right ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Less people ~ less things needed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Population control doesn't have to be approached like china or >>>>>>> whatever. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> People just need to realize that they should replace themselves, not >>>>>>> multiply like crazy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But then you get into the whole "don't tell me how many kids I can >>>>>>> have" thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Conclusion I've come to when talking about this issue is that most >>>>>>> people would rather have a big family over a sustainable environment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And when you try to talk the about conservation for the future they >>>>>>> completely disregard it as someone else's problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basically Stu hates Earth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:19, Stephen Scheidel < >>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Countries with stable populations usually have stable economies or >>>>>>> whatever it is that allows them to be be happy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know the tax in most of these countries is very very high but it's >>>>>>> fine because everyone receiving is also paying. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 15:15, sameegh jardine <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tend to agree - I think the bigger issue has got to do with >>>>>>> resource distribution. People tend to want more than what they really >>>>>>> need. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair < >>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Huh? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Too many for what? There is enough space for people to live, more >>>>>>> than enough food for the whole planet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure there are lots of issues in the world but overpopulation isn’t >>>>>>> actually one of them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: >>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Scheidel >>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 3:00 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Almost every problem we have as people here on on earth is that >>>>>>> there are just too many of us. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:57, Nicholas Robertson-Muir < >>>>>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just wrote 4 paragraphs of my thoughts on racism and then deleted it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fuck politics. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 14:49, "Ashraf Barendse" <ashraf.barendse@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Damn Japs, why they gotta be racist. Slanty-eyed rice eaters. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HBD Jag. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah. It's not they discriminate and treat you differently. If >>>>>>> you're whatever race and you go to japan. They treat you nicely. It's >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> the idea of sharing their environment with people they don't know or >>>>>>> foreigners. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also a lot of issue started when Japan allowed thailand to travel to >>>>>>> japan by getting a tourist visa on arrival...A LOT of illegal immigrants >>>>>>> went in to Japan. I think at least 6,000 in the first 3 months. And the >>>>>>> thai tourist are very loud and dirty...throwing shit everywhere, not >>>>>>> lining >>>>>>> up, etc. Fuelling the japanese xenophobia even more. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Stephen Scheidel < >>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well there is a difference between pride and hating others. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I get what Di is saying though ~ basically it's not so much that >>>>>>> they hate other people (they obviously do to some extent) but more that >>>>>>> they just want to be around their own kind. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:36, Donaldson, Alasdair < >>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pride? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It’s not pride behind racism. It’s hate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: >>>>>>> cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong >>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 2:31 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, asians are pretty racist and xenophobic...so i'm not too >>>>>>> surprise they wrote something like that. They're pretty racist and >>>>>>> xenophobic among themselves too. Chinese vs Japanese. Thai vs everyone >>>>>>> else. Etc. Too much pride in their own race and country. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Stephen Scheidel < >>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it was on some comedy show I was watching where the guy >>>>>>> covers some similar stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some old sports team owner was caught saying something racist and >>>>>>> there was a big stink. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What the fuck do they expect ? the parents of Americans who are 80+ >>>>>>> now where the generation that finished off the Native american holocaust >>>>>>> ffs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It just sucks when these old geezers still have some power in the >>>>>>> world and you can't just wheel them down the hallway like crazy old >>>>>>> grandma. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:21, Stephen Scheidel < >>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Forced segregation is a shit idea and never works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope nobody is too surprised by this Japanese womans' ideas. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keep in mind she was 8 years old when the Americans dropped the >>>>>>> bombs on them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> She is 83 now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To expect anything but racism and xenophobia out of her is a bit >>>>>>> much. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's all super wrong but we just shouldn't be surprised. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 14:08, Stephen Scheidel < >>>>>>> gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HBD Jagson. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 February 2015 at 13:46, Ryan Williams <ryan820509@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, read about this earlier. How fucked up can you get. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 13:04, "Manase Zote" <bmlzote@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Japan please... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11414141/Japanese-author-provokes-furious-South-African-response-by-suggesting-a-new-apartheid.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:53, "Moshe Shevel" <jaguguarang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Haha thanks guys :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015 12:47 PM, "Sameegh Jardine" <sameegh@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy Birthday Jag, hope you have an awesome one :] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16 Feb 2015, at 12:41 PM, "Donaldson, Alasdair" < >>>>>>> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh, nice one Ilit. You couldn’t have posted that first thing this >>>>>>> morning, could you? So we’re now all the schmucks who didn’t realise it >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> his birthday. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In other news, HDB Jag. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [ >>>>>>> mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On >>>>>>> Behalf Of *Ilitirit Sama >>>>>>> *Sent:* 16 February 2015 12:37 PM >>>>>>> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HBD Jag! >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally >>>>>>> privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this >>>>>>> e-mail >>>>>>> by anyone else is unauthorized. 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