We also need to be aware that the electronics signals from the keyboard have a certain chronology. If we follow your first offering and happen to slightly mistime our apparently simultaneous pressings, we will get some version of your second offering. If we follow your second offering correctly, ie, if we press X [and then release] and then press Y [and release], if X happens to be command key, like Ctrl, Alt, Shift, Caps Lock, etc, then pressing Y will only result in y, y, y and Y. So, we need a different command/explanation, like: 'To update all parameters, hold down the Shift key and then click the button.' Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sonja McShane To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 1:39 PM Subject: atw: Re: To press while... or hold? To me, when you press: * x and y, you press them both at the same time * x, then y (or x, and then y), you press one after the other. But to be totally clear (albiet more wordy), I guess it would be best to write something along the lines of: "To update all parameters, press Shift while [pick one: simultaneously/at the same time/also] clicking the button." A computer literate audience sure is easier to write for! It really comes down to Nigel's audience and the company style. Nigel, what did you end up writing? Sonja -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Naomi Kramer Sent: Monday, 16 February 2004 10:13 AM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: To press while... or hold? I'm not sure I got my point across. I admit I wrote and fired it off very quickly :) What I meant is... To my way of thinking, many users (esp. relatively computer illiterate) would take "To update all parameters, press the Shift key and click the button." to mean "press SHIFT, then click", whereas they need to keep pressing while clicking. -----Original Message----- Or maybe the shorter version: "To update all parameters, press the Shift key and click the button." Naomi says: I'd take that to mean 'press SHIFT, then click'. If that was what the sentence meant, then that would be how you would write it. But that's not what the sentence means, so it's OK as is, by me anyway :-) ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************************