[audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)

  • From: Thomas McMahan <shadowmonstrosity@xxxxxxx>
  • To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:36:38 -0500

Yes you can do all of those, plus you can tie accounts into the calendar, 
messages, and other stuff too.  You will also be able to use i-cloud as an 
e-mail too if you wish.  

Yes the Micro Soft Suite should work fine in a virtual machine I would think, 
I’ve never attempted a virtual machine on my mac though, but plenty of people 
do.    A lot of them do windows, but some do linux too.  
When setting up a new account with Apple Mail on computer it will give you a 
list of options, exchange is one of them, as well as gmail.  For G M X though a 
person has to click “other.”  But it will basically set up like a gmail account 
usually.  I have had to manually input info before though for G M X, although 
that wasn’t a big deal that is what we used to always have to do with gmail 

Each time they do a major OS upgrade, and they are saying another will be 
coming out some time soon, the Mac OS and the phone OS become more common to 
each other.  Eventually there will be little difference between them.  

On Jun 30, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I am looking at probably getting fusion ware at some point. If I do that then 
> I will be able to still use my Microsoft Suite from what I am understanding. 
> However, I use Apple Mail on the phone. I am assuming that I use Apple Mail 
> on the phone, but I have a few different gmail account that show up in that 
> mail application. Is the mail application where I can see my Microsoft 
> Exchange accounts, Gmail accounts, and yahoo accounts Apple Mail?
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> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)
> They aren’t really strict, just have to relate what you are talking about to 
> Apple products and accessibility.  Even Windows comes up every once in a 
> while but it has to relate back to it in context of Mac.  There is some 
> discussion about phones i pads/pods to some degree as well.
> As for Mac Access group, you were the one that turned me on to it, so 
> somewhere in your memory bank it is there.  I will get you the subscribe 
> info.  Mac Visionaries is a google group, Mac Access is in it’s own server 
> system over in Europe.  
> The reason I mentioned using a separate e-mail account is that the volume of 
> traffic.  But if you have all of your mail going to one address it would 
> still work, and you can simply set up a rule to shunt the group’s mail into a 
> folder as you are doing now.  I just don’t care to over load an e-mail 
> address.  Sometimes mail providers get a little goofy when there’s a lot of 
> traffic coming through.  Well gmail does at least.  Since you are comcast it 
> probably handles differently anyway.  
> When using the mac for mail though you will have to use either Apple Mail or 
> read it on the web, if there are any supported versions of outlook they are 
> probably useless with voice over.  Well last I knew they were, same with 
> thunderbird.  Amanda would be able to do that, but I am doubting VO will work 
> very well with it.  But Apple Mail also can tie into multiple applications as 
> well, so it can still coordinate or as I use it as a stand alone.  
> On Jun 30, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I have never heard of the Mac Access group until today, but Mac Visionaries I 
> have heard of. I have all of my e-mail except for the miscellaneous e-mail 
> from various businesses and personal e-mail going to my inbox all other 
> e-mail goes to their respective folders in my Outlook. So, with the fact that 
> I have separate folders for all of my groups would that suffice if I joined 
> Mac Visionaries or should I have a separate account all together? If what I 
> have will suffice can you give me the subscription information to Mac 
> Visionaries? Are they real strict on that list or just like any other list 
> that has a specific goal in mind?   
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> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2014 3:45 AM
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> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)
> Okay, well, now you are crossing into a frontier that I never have, and that 
> is using a trackpad.  
> You may wish to consider joining in one or more of the Mac related groups if 
> you aren’t already in any.  There are some i-phone groups that cross over 
> into Mac, but those are primarily still phone related groups.  Of course you 
> probably still remember the Mac Access group, that might be one to consider, 
> or Mac Visionaries group.  If you join the MV group though, I would strongly 
> recommend creating a separate address just for that group, it’s history has 
> been that it can be a high traffic group in the past.  But that group also 
> has years of archives considering it goes back at least to 2005.    Also most 
> everything that you can do with a mouse can be done with a keyboard as well.  
> Or in my case with a blue tooth keyboard because I like to be lazy and be in 
> a comfortable chair *lol*.  So in actuality I am across the room from 
> computer and i-phone, but can quickly switch from one to the other.  The only 
> time I really have to go over there is if I need to use the numpad, and 
> that’s just because I haven’t studied up the equilavant for laptop layout 
> keyboards for the num pad.  
> I think though you will find the i-tunes experience better over on the Mac 
> side than what they do for the pc.  Although perhaps they have improved that, 
> it’s been a couple of years since I ever dealt with i-tunes on a pc.  I 
> thought it was rather clunky to be honest.  But that was better than i-tunes 
> on the mac from 2005 into 2007, i-tunes was late converting over to coco from 
> carbon.  So of course it’s accessibility was slower.  It wasn’t inaccessible 
> totally, but people would write apple scripts to do functions, or to make 
> functions accessible such as something simple like deleting a song for 
> example.  
> Now if I could only get my linux box to actually pick up this keyboard 
> though, I would really have it made.  Could then switch from i-phone, to Mac 
> to main linux computer.  Would be like a sports nut with 3 tvs, and one 
> remote that controls the three *lol*.  Well perhaps one day I will get them 
> to agree.  
> On Jun 29, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I called “My Apple” to see if it was too late to make a change with the mouse 
> tonight. The guy I spoke to was great. He not only took care of switching out 
> the mouse, but he said it would arrive about a week earlier than the computer 
> *LOL*. So, I will have a Track Pad to use with the computer.
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> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 6:31 PM
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> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)
> Square Trade insurance is offered through a number of different places that 
> I’ve been on, I think Tiger Direct offers it.  I’m not sure how it would 
> necessarily be better though, since if you had to actually send the machine 
> back to somewhere it’s going to be Apple, although if you can afford it it 
> might not hurt to have both.  
> Yes from an administrative profile you can see and regulate all profiles 
> actually.  Also your settings that you set in yours will not carry over to 
> the other, well ones like the mouse function etc.  
> Since I’ve never really had to deal with parental controls I really can’t say 
> a lot about those, but I am guessing you can set those up from one of the 
> administrative profiles for the one that needed to be controlled.  But yes 
> using the term account or profile are the same thing, actually I think they 
> now call it account in Mavericks.  What you hear on the podcasts aren’t going 
> to be to far out of date though, especially for fundamental things.  Each 
> upgrade has some different and new things, but the fundamentals tend to stay 
> the same.  Or some of the habits of how I do things here that go all the way 
> back to the days of Tiger are still usable now
> As for Microsoft Suite, don’t know since I never have used it.  Haven’t 
> really followed that particular topic in the Mac groups that I’m in either.   
> with Mavericks.    
> On Jun 29, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I have been listening to a few of the podcast on www.applevis.com
> . I stumbled upon some Mac tutorials in fact there are 35 tutorials on there 
> for the Mac. The unfortunate thing is the tutorials are for I believe 
> Mountain Lion or Snow Leopard. I believe our computer will be coming with 
> Mavericks. One thing I forgot to ask the guy at the Apple store was how are 
> the parental controls. With the profiles can Isee all of the profiles from 
> the administrative account? Will use of the mouse on one profile mess up 
> Voiceover on my profile? I imagine with the different profiles they will be 
> independently controlled. I take it nothing chancy should ever be tried using 
> the administrative account. I used account because it seems as though account 
> and profile  are synonymous account in the PC world and profile in the Apple 
> world. Have they ever corrected the fact that Microsoft Suite for Apple is 
> not accessible or does that still remain inaccessible? They were telling me 
> that Fusionware cost about $40 in stores, but they do not carry it in the 
> Apple store. Amanda looked at the retina display and was amazed at the 
> quality it adds for a sighted person. She said the picture of the Cheetah 
> that the guy in the store showed her zoomed in to where she could see the 
> person taking the picture through the Cheetah’s eyes. I guess my real concern 
> right now is the parental controls and the different profiles effecting other 
> profiles. We did purchase the 1-to-1 for 1 year which should be helpful. 
> Someone was talking on the Blind Apple group about a Square Trade Insurance. 
> Have you ever heard of that? They said that Square Trade is better than Apple 
> Care.      
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> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)
> With standard mouse you won’t have to go into system preferences and change 
> defaults, but you probably will with the magic mouse or your voice over is 
> likely to act up.  Well especially if you actually try to use the mouse.  Not 
> sure if they’ve solved all of that mix up yet.  Maybe by now they have, but, 
> system preferences isn’t do difficult to access and change values.  Also in 
> there set it to be able to use mouse keys, that will make it easier again 
> dealing with voice over and navigating around with the keyboard.  So in other 
> words, turn mouse keys on if they aren’t already when you get the machine.  
> Amanda can do her own settings in her profile.  Yes it’s probably best to 
> have 
> multiple profiles set up.  One each that are administrative, and at least one 
> which doesn’t have administrative privileges.  Then if you want to try 
> something that you feel might be chancy, you can do it in the profile that 
> doesn’t have those privileges.  Thus if the profile is ruined or crashes, 
> just log into the administrative one, and delete the other, well save what 
> you can from the one that is broken first then delete it out.  
> Profiles themselves don’t take up a lot of room, a lot of the stuff can be 
> commonly accessed from any of the profiles such as the list of apps and so 
> forth, but agreeing to major updates etc have to be done using an 
> administrative password.  It’s probably not that different than having multi 
> accounts in a windows machine I would think.  
> When you get the machine though it will be one of the fastest ones you’ve 
> ever bought and set up though.  Most things are fairly obvious.  However, 
> your mouse if it uses a cord can be hooked into the keyboard, there are two 
> usb ports on keyboard, one on each side.  There is often a ridge running 
> across the bottom of keyboard near the side where it’s cord is, and the usb 
> ports are one each end of that ridge.  So if you prefer mouse on left side 
> you’re covered, although we’ve always put it on the right side.  If it is a 
> wireless mouse that will be different.  
> Once you have it hooked up and going it  and find the power button, it should 
> sound with a G major cord a few seconds after starting, but you aren’t ready 
> to go, unlike with windows the Mac finds it’s hardware first which is why you 
> hear the sound, you will have a bit of time before it goes through it’s boot 
> up still, but it will start talking to you when it’s gone into it’s log in.  
> It will give you instructions going one way will give you a tutorial for 
> Voice Over, and the rest of us who know it are given a key command to press 
> and then it will continue the set up process.  That being giving the machine 
> your Apple ID etc, and setting up i-cloud etc.  
> None of this stuff is difficult, but it will be different than what you are 
> used to from coming from a windows environment and it’s set up procedures.  
> But in reality it won’t take long actually.  A little longer of course if you 
> want to go through the tutorial.  
> Apple keyboard for example has no insert key.  The general pattern though is 
> the same as your IBM keyboard on the surface, but there are some with 
> different names.  The control key is the same.  But instead of your window, 
> or supper, key, it is an option key.  Then instead of alt, it is command.  
> You will have a learning curve, but if you have learned Jaws, it actually 
> won’t be as steep of a curve, it’s more a factor of learning Mac’s terms, and 
> realizing that it is just done differently over here.  Jaws has a lot of 
> stuff that works behind the scenes that sighted people looking at a screen 
> won’t see.  Voice Over tracks and moves for the most part as what a sighted 
> person will also see.  There are some situations where an element may be 
> missed by voice over that is visible to a sighted person, usually happens on 
> some web pages, and also when it just isn’t very handy to happen either.  
> The first few days will be annoying, but once you start getting comfortable 
> and getting around inside the machine, I think you will like it.  Since you 
> have experience with an i-phone, you already know about Apple’s 
> intuitiveness.  What it does, it does and it works right out of the box.  
> Can’t say that about a lot of systems in the phone and computer world.  
> On Jun 29, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I may purchase the standard Apple mouse at a later date, but I do not recall 
> if you said why the standard mouse over the magic mouse.
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> [mailto:audio-pals-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thomas McMahan
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:17 PM
> To: audio-pals@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)
> Not bad, but I think I would get the standard Apple mouse.  It’s good that 
> you get the Apple Care that can be very handy, you would just give them your 
> number and they can help you and you aren’t charged technical support fees 
> then.  You may not need it, but it’s handy to have if there’s a problem.  
> There is also a number strictly for accessibility problems too over there, 
> they’ve had that for a year or so.  
> You may wish to explore increasing your ram though.  That is usually what 
> catches up with age, as they develop it requires more ram and of course if 
> you have minimum amount when building your machine you will notice the 
> machine slowing down as they keep updating the OS.  
> On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Well, it will be impossible to spend that portion since the attorney kept the 
> portion that is potentially owed to Medicare. I am glad he did though as it 
> prevents us from accidentally getting into it. The portion that he released 
> to us is strictly the portion that is ours after everyone is paid.
> The Mac that we are looking at getting once we are able to get a hold of the 
> money is, get a hold of the money as in cash form rather than check form is 
> the following:
> - 21.5 “iMac
> - 2.7 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5, turbo boost up to 3.2 GHz
> - 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR 3 SD RAM 2X 8GB
> - 1 TB serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
> - Apple Magic Mouse
> - Apple wireless keyboard
> - Accessory Kit ( What is this if you know?)
> Software:
> -          Pages, Numbers, Keynote
> -           iPhoto, iMovie, Garage Band (I guess our nephew will like this 
> one)
> -           OS X
> -          Apple Care Protection Plan
> -          1-to-1 Membership for 1 year
> Taxes and all: 1930.45
> How does this sound? Is there something that you would change and if so why?

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