[audio-pals] Re: Top of the line MAC (Desk Top)

  • From: "Josh" <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:59:39 -0700

We share the same account so that way we aren't paying double for apps.


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Have no idea because the only calendar I keep is in my head.  With the way
gmail has been acting this year, nothing surprises me.  They are probably in
her spam folder somewhere.  I was getting tons of mail that was legitimate
e-mail, even some of it was from people in my contacts on computer and Gmail
would plop them into the spam folder before the computer saw them.  If she's
got an i-phone though and an i-cloud account you can probably send stuff
that way too.  

On Jun 30, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Josh <lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Talking about the calendar perhaps you will know the answer of how to get
Amanda's gmail to accept calendar invites again. I can send her an invite
from the phone's calendar application and she will never receive it, but if
I send it to her Yahoo or I have now selected for it to come as a
notification to her phone it goes through without any problems.

    I just upgraded my iPhone this afternoon. I believe it was 7.02.

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Yes you can do all of those, plus you can tie accounts into the calendar,
messages, and other stuff too.  You will also be able to use i-cloud as an
e-mail too if you wish.  


Yes the Micro Soft Suite should work fine in a virtual machine I would
think, I've never attempted a virtual machine on my mac though, but plenty
of people do.    A lot of them do windows, but some do linux too.  

When setting up a new account with Apple Mail on computer it will give you a
list of options, exchange is one of them, as well as gmail.  For G M X
though a person has to click "other."  But it will basically set up like a
gmail account usually.  I have had to manually input info before though for
G M X, although that wasn't a big deal that is what we used to always have
to do with gmail too.  


Each time they do a major OS upgrade, and they are saying another will be
coming out some time soon, the Mac OS and the phone OS become more common to
each other.  Eventually there will be little difference between them.  


On Jun 30, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Josh < <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I am looking at probably getting fusion ware at some point. If I do that
then I will be able to still use my Microsoft Suite from what I am
understanding. However, I use Apple Mail on the phone. I am assuming that I
use Apple Mail on the phone, but I have a few different gmail account that
show up in that mail application. Is the mail application where I can see my
Microsoft Exchange accounts, Gmail accounts, and yahoo accounts Apple Mail?


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They aren't really strict, just have to relate what you are talking about to
Apple products and accessibility.  Even Windows comes up every once in a
while but it has to relate back to it in context of Mac.  There is some
discussion about phones i pads/pods to some degree as well.


As for Mac Access group, you were the one that turned me on to it, so
somewhere in your memory bank it is there.  I will get you the subscribe
info.  Mac Visionaries is a google group, Mac Access is in it's own server
system over in Europe.  


The reason I mentioned using a separate e-mail account is that the volume of
traffic.  But if you have all of your mail going to one address it would
still work, and you can simply set up a rule to shunt the group's mail into
a folder as you are doing now.  I just don't care to over load an e-mail
address.  Sometimes mail providers get a little goofy when there's a lot of
traffic coming through.  Well gmail does at least.  Since you are comcast it
probably handles differently anyway.  


When using the mac for mail though you will have to use either Apple Mail or
read it on the web, if there are any supported versions of outlook they are
probably useless with voice over.  Well last I knew they were, same with
thunderbird.  Amanda would be able to do that, but I am doubting VO will
work very well with it.  But Apple Mail also can tie into multiple
applications as well, so it can still coordinate or as I use it as a stand

On Jun 30, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Josh < <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have never heard of the Mac Access group until today, but Mac Visionaries
I have heard of. I have all of my e-mail except for the miscellaneous e-mail
from various businesses and personal e-mail going to my inbox all other
e-mail goes to their respective folders in my Outlook. So, with the fact
that I have separate folders for all of my groups would that suffice if I
joined Mac Visionaries or should I have a separate account all together? If
what I have will suffice can you give me the subscription information to Mac
Visionaries? Are they real strict on that list or just like any other list
that has a specific goal in mind?   


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Okay, well, now you are crossing into a frontier that I never have, and that
is using a trackpad.  


You may wish to consider joining in one or more of the Mac related groups if
you aren't already in any.  There are some i-phone groups that cross over
into Mac, but those are primarily still phone related groups.  Of course you
probably still remember the Mac Access group, that might be one to consider,
or Mac Visionaries group.  If you join the MV group though, I would strongly
recommend creating a separate address just for that group, it's history has
been that it can be a high traffic group in the past.  But that group also
has years of archives considering it goes back at least to 2005.    Also
most everything that you can do with a mouse can be done with a keyboard as
well.  Or in my case with a blue tooth keyboard because I like to be lazy
and be in a comfortable chair *lol*.  So in actuality I am across the room
from computer and i-phone, but can quickly switch from one to the other.
The only time I really have to go over there is if I need to use the numpad,
and that's just because I haven't studied up the equilavant for laptop
layout keyboards for the num pad.  


I think though you will find the i-tunes experience better over on the Mac
side than what they do for the pc.  Although perhaps they have improved
that, it's been a couple of years since I ever dealt with i-tunes on a pc.
I thought it was rather clunky to be honest.  But that was better than
i-tunes on the mac from 2005 into 2007, i-tunes was late converting over to
coco from carbon.  So of course it's accessibility was slower.  It wasn't
inaccessible totally, but people would write apple scripts to do functions,
or to make functions accessible such as something simple like deleting a
song for example.  


Now if I could only get my linux box to actually pick up this keyboard
though, I would really have it made.  Could then switch from i-phone, to Mac
to main linux computer.  Would be like a sports nut with 3 tvs, and one
remote that controls the three *lol*.  Well perhaps one day I will get them
to agree.  


On Jun 29, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Josh < <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I called "My Apple" to see if it was too late to make a change with the
mouse tonight. The guy I spoke to was great. He not only took care of
switching out the mouse, but he said it would arrive about a week earlier
than the computer *LOL*. So, I will have a Track Pad to use with the


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Square Trade insurance is offered through a number of different places that
I've been on, I think Tiger Direct offers it.  I'm not sure how it would
necessarily be better though, since if you had to actually send the machine
back to somewhere it's going to be Apple, although if you can afford it it
might not hurt to have both.  


Yes from an administrative profile you can see and regulate all profiles
actually.  Also your settings that you set in yours will not carry over to
the other, well ones like the mouse function etc.  


Since I've never really had to deal with parental controls I really can't
say a lot about those, but I am guessing you can set those up from one of
the administrative profiles for the one that needed to be controlled.  But
yes using the term account or profile are the same thing, actually I think
they now call it account in Mavericks.  What you hear on the podcasts aren't
going to be to far out of date though, especially for fundamental things.
Each upgrade has some different and new things, but the fundamentals tend to
stay the same.  Or some of the habits of how I do things here that go all
the way back to the days of Tiger are still usable now


As for Microsoft Suite, don't know since I never have used it.  Haven't
really followed that particular topic in the Mac groups that I'm in either.
with Mavericks.    



On Jun 29, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Josh < <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have been listening to a few of the podcast on  <http://www.applevis.com/>

. I stumbled upon some Mac tutorials in fact there are 35 tutorials on there
for the Mac. The unfortunate thing is the tutorials are for I believe
Mountain Lion or Snow Leopard. I believe our computer will be coming with
Mavericks. One thing I forgot to ask the guy at the Apple store was how are
the parental controls. With the profiles can Isee all of the profiles from
the administrative account? Will use of the mouse on one profile mess up
Voiceover on my profile? I imagine with the different profiles they will be
independently controlled. I take it nothing chancy should ever be tried
using the administrative account. I used account because it seems as though
account and profile  are synonymous account in the PC world and profile in
the Apple world. Have they ever corrected the fact that Microsoft Suite for
Apple is not accessible or does that still remain inaccessible? They were
telling me that Fusionware cost about $40 in stores, but they do not carry
it in the Apple store. Amanda looked at the retina display and was amazed at
the quality it adds for a sighted person. She said the picture of the
Cheetah that the guy in the store showed her zoomed in to where she could
see the person taking the picture through the Cheetah's eyes. I guess my
real concern right now is the parental controls and the different profiles
effecting other profiles. We did purchase the 1-to-1 for 1 year which should
be helpful. Someone was talking on the Blind Apple group about a Square
Trade Insurance. Have you ever heard of that? They said that Square Trade is
better than Apple Care.      


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With standard mouse you won't have to go into system preferences and change
defaults, but you probably will with the magic mouse or your voice over is
likely to act up.  Well especially if you actually try to use the mouse.
Not sure if they've solved all of that mix up yet.  Maybe by now they have,
but, system preferences isn't do difficult to access and change values.
Also in there set it to be able to use mouse keys, that will make it easier
again dealing with voice over and navigating around with the keyboard.  So
in other words, turn mouse keys on if they aren't already when you get the
machine.  Amanda can do her own settings in her profile.  Yes it's probably
best to have 

multiple profiles set up.  One each that are administrative, and at least
one which doesn't have administrative privileges.  Then if you want to try
something that you feel might be chancy, you can do it in the profile that
doesn't have those privileges.  Thus if the profile is ruined or crashes,
just log into the administrative one, and delete the other, well save what
you can from the one that is broken first then delete it out.  


Profiles themselves don't take up a lot of room, a lot of the stuff can be
commonly accessed from any of the profiles such as the list of apps and so
forth, but agreeing to major updates etc have to be done using an
administrative password.  It's probably not that different than having multi
accounts in a windows machine I would think.  

When you get the machine though it will be one of the fastest ones you've
ever bought and set up though.  Most things are fairly obvious.  However,
your mouse if it uses a cord can be hooked into the keyboard, there are two
usb ports on keyboard, one on each side.  There is often a ridge running
across the bottom of keyboard near the side where it's cord is, and the usb
ports are one each end of that ridge.  So if you prefer mouse on left side
you're covered, although we've always put it on the right side.  If it is a
wireless mouse that will be different.  


Once you have it hooked up and going it  and find the power button, it
should sound with a G major cord a few seconds after starting, but you
aren't ready to go, unlike with windows the Mac finds it's hardware first
which is why you hear the sound, you will have a bit of time before it goes
through it's boot up still, but it will start talking to you when it's gone
into it's log in.  It will give you instructions going one way will give you
a tutorial for Voice Over, and the rest of us who know it are given a key
command to press and then it will continue the set up process.  That being
giving the machine your Apple ID etc, and setting up i-cloud etc.  


None of this stuff is difficult, but it will be different than what you are
used to from coming from a windows environment and it's set up procedures.
But in reality it won't take long actually.  A little longer of course if
you want to go through the tutorial.  


Apple keyboard for example has no insert key.  The general pattern though is
the same as your IBM keyboard on the surface, but there are some with
different names.  The control key is the same.  But instead of your window,
or supper, key, it is an option key.  Then instead of alt, it is command.  


You will have a learning curve, but if you have learned Jaws, it actually
won't be as steep of a curve, it's more a factor of learning Mac's terms,
and realizing that it is just done differently over here.  Jaws has a lot of
stuff that works behind the scenes that sighted people looking at a screen
won't see.  Voice Over tracks and moves for the most part as what a sighted
person will also see.  There are some situations where an element may be
missed by voice over that is visible to a sighted person, usually happens on
some web pages, and also when it just isn't very handy to happen either.  


The first few days will be annoying, but once you start getting comfortable
and getting around inside the machine, I think you will like it.  Since you
have experience with an i-phone, you already know about Apple's
intuitiveness.  What it does, it does and it works right out of the box.
Can't say that about a lot of systems in the phone and computer world.  



On Jun 29, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Josh < <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I may purchase the standard Apple mouse at a later date, but I do not recall
if you said why the standard mouse over the magic mouse.


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Not bad, but I think I would get the standard Apple mouse.  It's good that
you get the Apple Care that can be very handy, you would just give them your
number and they can help you and you aren't charged technical support fees
then.  You may not need it, but it's handy to have if there's a problem.
There is also a number strictly for accessibility problems too over there,
they've had that for a year or so.  


You may wish to explore increasing your ram though.  That is usually what
catches up with age, as they develop it requires more ram and of course if
you have minimum amount when building your machine you will notice the
machine slowing down as they keep updating the OS.  

On Jun 26, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Josh < <mailto:lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx>
lawdog911@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, it will be impossible to spend that portion since the attorney kept
the portion that is potentially owed to Medicare. I am glad he did though as
it prevents us from accidentally getting into it. The portion that he
released to us is strictly the portion that is ours after everyone is paid.


The Mac that we are looking at getting once we are able to get a hold of the
money is, get a hold of the money as in cash form rather than check form is
the following:

- 21.5 "iMac

- 2.7 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5, turbo boost up to 3.2 GHz

- 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR 3 SD RAM 2X 8GB

- 1 TB serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm

- Apple Magic Mouse

- Apple wireless keyboard

- Accessory Kit ( What is this if you know?)


-          Pages, Numbers, Keynote

-           iPhoto, iMovie, Garage Band (I guess our nephew will like this

-           OS X

-          Apple Care Protection Plan

-          1-to-1 Membership for 1 year


Taxes and all: 1930.45


How does this sound? Is there something that you would change and if so why?


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