Hi Graham, Don't loose hope. What we perhaps have to do, is use the GPS situation as an example. Even the mighty Microsoft (After a multi million Dollar survey) have realised that by the year 2010 just under 30% of American computer users will be using some kind of adaptive adjustment, be it a screen reader, down to something as simple as basic screen magnification, even at +5%. Now it's going to take some time to filter down to the producers of other gear. And to boot, many of these producers/manufacturers are based in China and the likes these days. George. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Graham Page Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:47 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio hopefully George yes but there was a very pressing reason for speech being included and that was safety while driving. We need an all encompassing reason that applies here as well. I would like to think enough would be bought by people who need or want speech included to make it worth while to manufacture but the Sonus Talking DAB radio for example is I believe no longer made presumably because it didn't sell enough. I wonder if it could be argued that there are enough people with no or limited vision and the price is cheap enough to make it a legal requirement to make digital radio, freeboxes etc. accessible as a reasonable adjustment under the DDA? I don't know enough about the law t know for sure but the forthcomming accessibility chrisis that this is increasingly becoming needs addressing some how. Cheers Graham Graham Page Home Phone: 0207 265 9493 Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Accessible Internet Radio > Many have asked why use an Internet Radio when a PC will do > the same job? > > Speaking from what perhaps many will regard as a money > grabbing, commercial point of view, which we at > Techno-Vision Systems Ltd naturally are, I see the biggest > potential market as people, young or old, who quite simply > do not want to get into using a PC, but just want to listen > to broadcasts from their own country. > > Heck! In Northampton alone there are an estimated 15,000 > Polish people who have moved here in the last couple of > years. > > Go to almost any major city in the U.K. and there are sure > to be huge clusters of foreign nationals who also want to > hear radio from their own country. > > Now as I see it, what manufacturers of this kind of > equipment need to do, is take a lesson from the GPS system > manufacturers. Was speech so difficult to add? Did it help > their sales? It wasn't difficult, and it did. > > And you can now buy a talking in-car GPS for about £100. > Three years ago it cost me almost £900 for one for my wife. > > So perhaps it won't be too long before the Internet radio > guys finally catch up! > > George. > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > __________ NOD32 2804 (20080118) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq