Hi,
Speaking of egressing from the target on low level me and Stickz bombed
south western airfield on Ruhr Pocket map. We were attacking from west
egressing east on the deck. What I observed atacking like this (west to
east) was that the terrain east of the airfield goes lower that the
airfield which allows perfect egress from target area. No disturbance from
flak while going away from the target. Still we were unlucky to attract
enemy fighter capping the target and he bounced us on the way. I saw him to
late to warn Stickz. He shot him down and moved on me but he overshot (I
went up and then rolled down). He extended up and dove on me again. I went
full boost and RPM, evaded his pass and turned after him. He must have been
quite astonished when he looked back behind in his steep climb. I could
easily keep up with his climb. If I knew I could climb like this in P38 he
would have been dead. But I aimed badly since I assumed I would stall in a
moment. Actually he stalled earlier than me and was making jerky maneuvers
to throw off my aim. When he gained control of the aircraft and dove down
to the deck he could extend from me.
I was amazed that P38 can climb like I did yesterday. I never practised
combat in that plane but I learned my lesson.
Cheers,
Cina
pt., 15 lis 2019 o 15:23 Michael Colby <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
napisał(a):
Interesting about the flak, because if I remember correctly, the 3 of us
in P38's that attacked the target diving close together in a way that we
arrived together very quickly and left together quickly, meant that we got
away and returned home. Perhaps arriving and leaving together very quickly
in one pass with multiple aircraft to split the anti-aircraft gunfire is a
different ball game than arriving as a single aircraft with no support and
drawing all the anti-aircraft gunfire like the proverbial magnet.
I think there is a lot to be said for a very quick multiple aircraft
single pass on a target, though it does take good teamwork and
co-ordination. If ant-aircraft gunfire is heavy then stay low and egress
(quick as possible out of range of guns and use terrain to mask egress),
but if anti-aircraft gunfire is not heavy then there is more chance to zoom
climb, if that is viewed as desirable. Also, providing we are close
together in a low level attack run after a dive, perhaps a shorter bomb
timer fuse would help us get away with less risk, because some of our
bomb-blast may take out anti-aircraft gunfire that might otherwise shoot us
down (reduce 15 second bomb fuse delay to 10/5 seconds?) Of course, the
serious anti-aircraft guns will be positioned some distance away from our
actual target, but sometimes vehicles and the like that are actually part
of our target can turn their fire at us too. Lead aircraft could take 10
second bomb delay and the wingman could take a 5 second bomb delay.
Yes, strafing is risky and I must say that I am not keen on it when flying
a fighter and Stickz makes a good point regarding visibility for the
strafing run due to bombing.
Attacking ground targets is a high risk business, so we have to expect
casualties. But with good planning, teamwork and co-ordinated flying
together we can at least mitigate some of the risk. That is why I don't
mind taking the time beforehand to plan and brief our missions to make the
most of our numbers which can be up to 6 or 8 of us on a good squad night.
It would be great if some of our rested members could return and fly with
us again.
Happy landings,
Talisman
On Friday, 15 November 2019, 11:14:06 GMT, tim foster <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I attacked it last night, got engine damaged again by flak with a single
pass. Not badly, but its unusual that I get hit at all with a fast single
attack. Smaller tempest thats not suffering compression lock might get out
unscathed. And its not a good target to strafe - and it leaves you
vulnerable. Wait for dust to clear, get firing lane, all that time gone
since alerts gone off with a field 20km away. No one watching you. To
strafe you need top cover, the P38s have left as planned. Much as I want to
win a map, I'd rather we left a strafeable truck and all got home than lose
one plane and get the truck.
TTFN
Stickz
On 15/11/2019 06:09, klem56 (Redacted sender klem56 for DMARC) wrote:
It would have been nice to find something to shoot at but I'd prefer to
avoid a suicidal strafing run unless it meant actually closing the target.
Not much point in killing a few trucks if there is more to kill that needed
another bombing run.
klem
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On 14/11/2019 15:09, tim foster (Redacted sender silverwings.stickz for
DMARC) wrote:
Boots right though, the flak there is pretty hard, whilst I took a slow
pass to make those screenshots and then came into attack I got hit pretty
hard (course its a big plane). The strafeable targets are mainly beside the
road, and you can see 3 flak covering it(at least). Once we wake it up,
they would take the full ferocity in the face. With our 15sec bomb delay
they gonna be coming in late to give smoke time to settle to actually see
viable targets with us not pulling the flak. Means they are also way
behind. From cina/klem point of view of course it might have been worth it
instead of 2 hours following us around never seeing an enemy nor firing a
gun.
TTFN
Stickz
On 14/11/2019 13:26, Michael Colby (Redacted sender michael.colby82 for
DMARC) wrote:
Nice one Stickz. Thanks!
Our two P.38 missions last night were very enjoyable :)
It was good to have the escorts, as visibility from the P.38 is not so
good for searching for bandits on-route.
Looks to me like our escorts, or a portion of our escort, could be given
the option of a single run cannon strafe next time we attack that target.
Thanks again Stickz.
Happy landings,
Talisman
On Thursday, 14 November 2019, 13:08:07 GMT, tim foster
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
yeah I was trying to put ackbar and the 4077th reference in but couldnt
remember his name nor the mash number at that time of the morning so it
got rather lost.
It was meant to be red H is gen ackbars 4077th hospital, then the trap
pun in the second picture line
On 14/11/2019 07:32, Lee Fisher (Redacted sender l.fisher for DMARC) wrote:
wrote:
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On 14 Nov 2019, at 07:18, 56RAF_phoenix <phoenix@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
the hospital. That explains why I got only one building.
I dropped two bombs on the away-from-the-road netted targets, four on
for DMARC) wrote:Good recon, Stickz.
56RAF_phoenix
On 14/11/2019 00:54, tim foster (Redacted sender silverwings.stickz
the same one once a yearfor those of you who only attack a target once a week so probably cast
less from the route boot brought you in. The red H is a hospital. Red
Last nights rally point target, rally tagt shows your view more or
squares are target areas.
targets. And I would guess the 2 purple areas are also targets - although I
Rally_close shows a close up also from same route path, red areas are
guess the hospital maybe a trap
TTFN
Stickz
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