Interesting about the flak, because if I remember correctly, the 3 of us in
P38's that attacked the target diving close together in a way that we arrived
together very quickly and left together quickly, meant that we got away and
returned home. Perhaps arriving and leaving together very quickly in one pass
with multiple aircraft to split the anti-aircraft gunfire is a different ball
game than arriving as a single aircraft with no support and drawing all the
anti-aircraft gunfire like the proverbial magnet.
I think there is a lot to be said for a very quick multiple aircraft single
pass on a target, though it does take good teamwork and co-ordination. If
ant-aircraft gunfire is heavy then stay low and egress (quick as possible out
of range of guns and use terrain to mask egress), but if anti-aircraft gunfire
is not heavy then there is more chance to zoom climb, if that is viewed as
desirable. Also, providing we are close together in a low level attack run
after a dive, perhaps a shorter bomb timer fuse would help us get away with
less risk, because some of our bomb-blast may take out anti-aircraft gunfire
that might otherwise shoot us down (reduce 15 second bomb fuse delay to 10/5
seconds?) Of course, the serious anti-aircraft guns will be positioned some
distance away from our actual target, but sometimes vehicles and the like that
are actually part of our target can turn their fire at us too. Lead aircraft
could take 10 second bomb delay and the wingman could take a 5 second bomb
delay.
Yes, strafing is risky and I must say that I am not keen on it when flying a
fighter and Stickz makes a good point regarding visibility for the strafing run
due to bombing.
Attacking ground targets is a high risk business, so we have to expect
casualties. But with good planning, teamwork and co-ordinated flying together
we can at least mitigate some of the risk. That is why I don't mind taking the
time beforehand to plan and brief our missions to make the most of our numbers
which can be up to 6 or 8 of us on a good squad night. It would be great if
some of our rested members could return and fly with us again.
Happy landings,
Talisman
On Friday, 15 November 2019, 11:14:06 GMT, tim foster
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I attacked it last night, got engine damaged again by flak with a single
pass. Not badly, but its unusual that I get hit at all with a fast single
attack. Smaller tempest thats not suffering compression lock might get out
unscathed. And its not a good target to strafe - and it leaves you vulnerable.
Wait for dust to clear, get firing lane, all that time gone since alerts gone
off with a field 20km away. No one watching you. To strafe you need top cover,
the P38s have left as planned. Much as I want to win a map, I'd rather we left
a strafeable truck and all got home than lose one plane and get the truck.
TTFN Stickz
On 15/11/2019 06:09, klem56 (Redacted sender klem56 for DMARC) wrote:
It would have been nice to find something to shoot at but I'd prefer to avoid
a suicidal strafing run unless it meant actually closing the target. Not much
point in killing a few trucks if there is more to kill that needed another
bombing run.
klem
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Windows 10 Home 64bit On 14/11/2019 15:09, tim foster (Redacted sender
silverwings.stickz for DMARC) wrote:
Boots right though, the flak there is pretty hard, whilst I took a slow pass
to make those screenshots and then came into attack I got hit pretty hard
(course its a big plane). The strafeable targets are mainly beside the road,
and you can see 3 flak covering it(at least). Once we wake it up, they would
take the full ferocity in the face. With our 15sec bomb delay they gonna be
coming in late to give smoke time to settle to actually see viable targets with
us not pulling the flak. Means they are also way behind. From cina/klem point
of view of course it might have been worth it instead of 2 hours following us
around never seeing an enemy nor firing a gun.
TTFN Stickz
On 14/11/2019 13:26, Michael Colby (Redacted sender michael.colby82 for
DMARC) wrote:
Nice one Stickz. Thanks!
Our two P.38 missions last night were very enjoyable :)
It was good to have the escorts, as visibility from the P.38 is not so good
for searching for bandits on-route.
Looks to me like our escorts, or a portion of our escort, could be given the
option of a single run cannon strafe next time we attack that target.
Thanks again Stickz.
Happy landings,
Talisman
On Thursday, 14 November 2019, 13:08:07 GMT, tim foster
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
yeah I was trying to put ackbar and the 4077th reference in but couldnt
remember his name nor the mash number at that time of the morning so it
got rather lost.
It was meant to be red H is gen ackbars 4077th hospital, then the trap
pun in the second picture line
On 14/11/2019 07:32, Lee Fisher (Redacted sender l.fisher for DMARC) wrote:
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On 14 Nov 2019, at 07:18, 56RAF_phoenix <phoenix@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I dropped two bombs on the away-from-the-road netted targets, four on the
hospital. That explains why I got only one building.
Good recon, Stickz.
56RAF_phoenix
On 14/11/2019 00:54, tim foster (Redacted sender silverwings.stickz for
DMARC) wrote:
for those of you who only attack a target once a week so probably cast the
same one once a year
Last nights rally point target, rally tagt shows your view more or less
from the route boot brought you in. The red H is a hospital. Red squares
are target areas.
Rally_close shows a close up also from same route path, red areas are
targets. And I would guess the 2 purple areas are also targets - although
I guess the hospital maybe a trap
TTFN
Stickz
