Jerry You are really missing out on something here. To me negative and print share the artwork about 50/50. AA used different words, but you are just looking at the notes, you're not hearing the music if you print the negative as is. Regards Ralph W. Lambrecht http://www.darkroomagic.com On 2006-12-18 15:43, "Koch, Gerald" <gkoch02@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I have a completely different take on this. If a straight print is > boring then no amount of manipulation is going to turn that negative > into a great photo. Just producing a striking print is not enought. > There has to be someting there to start with. That's the reason that I > don't tone or do anything else to my prints. If a negative can't speak > for itself then nothing is going to help it and that's the end of it. ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.