>Again, *in some cases*, the original image just acts as a canvas and it's the post-processing that creates the >WOW factor. > >There are various excellent examples in Tim Rudman's books where the straight prints look (sorry Tim !) just >boring but the final result is of another magnitude. I have a completely different take on this. If a straight print is boring then no amount of manipulation is going to turn that negative into a great photo. Just producing a striking print is not enought. There has to be someting there to start with. That's the reason that I don't tone or do anything else to my prints. If a negative can't speak for itself then nothing is going to help it and that's the end of it. Copying others is a good learning technique but not something that one wants to keep doing. I am reminded of the composer Engelbert Humperdinck who venerated the work of Wagner. Except for his opera Hansel and Gretel he comes off as a second rate, imitation Wagner. There are too many two bit Ansel Adams in photography today. To cite only one example. Jerry ============================================================================================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.