-Paul Stone <pas@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >Paul Stone wrote: > At 02:05 PM 6/10/2005, you wrote: > X = what WAS some kind of weighted average of all KNOWN temperature > sampling from a bunch of different points on the Earth 100 > years ago, Y = what is NOW a HIGHLY technically > calculated average, based on much more > "accurate" temperature measuring devices and a much > more voluminous amount oF data. > X-Y = < 1. This is NOT global warming. This is amazingly >stable. > The ERROR alone of switching from something which > could only arguably be said to be accurate to 1 degree > (the thermometers of days of old) and > today's measuring devices, which are probably at least > accurate to a tenth > of a degree is by itself, enough to account for the full RISE > in 'global temperature" Are these your surmises or do you have some references or sources (not that we don't trust you) which support them? I wonder how you know that thermometers used in scientific experiments in 1905 were 'only accurate to one degree' (within one degree?), the year in which Einstein was doing work on the kinetic theory of heat. > In MANY places, the OPPOSITE 'effects' of global warming > a seen: the temperature has gone down, water levels have > gone up? Indeed they have, and they will increasingly go if the polar ice caps continue to melt. Do you have any examples of the phenomena you're talking about? (Some people in the American West might be inclined to think that mudflats don't lie.) > and cities, which? The effect of heat retaining buildings, paved spaces, etc., is well known, but you might explain (1) why this phenomenon doesn't contribute to a general warming of the atmosphere (there are not two kinds of air, 'city,' and 'country') and (2) why cities are 'heating up' (if not from human activities). > All this muddle actually makes temperature measurement, > collection and > number crunching completely invalid for any real analysis > to conclude "THE > EARTH IS WARMING UP" There are die hards who don't believe the earth is 'warming up,' however this is understood. They have yet to explain the melting of the polar ice caps and the general retreat of mountain glaciers throughout the world. (There has been over time cyclical advances and retreats of glaciers locally, of course.) > More than 95% of the CO2 in the atmosphere is from > NATURAL sources (i.e. > not man-made) Climate change is primarily influenced > by water vapour, > NOT CO2 levels. 'U.S. carbon dioxide emissions are mostly (98.5 percent) accounted for by the combustion of fossil fuels , such as coal, natural gas , and petroleum . Because fossil fuels are of considerable economic value and their consumption is carefully monitored, energy-related carbon dioxide emissions can be estimated more reliably than any other emissions source. Table 4 shows trends in U.S. carbon dioxide emissions estimated in million metric tons of carbon. Carbon units can be converted to carbon dioxide (at full molecular weight) by multiplying by 3.667.' [US Department of Energy; data from 1998.] (This does not conflict with PS's earlier claim; it does suggest that CO2 levels are increased by the processes mentioned above. And those processes are not being meaningfully controlled, and are, in fact, globally increasing.) > The sentence "global warming is caused by increased levels of CO2 in the > atmosphere" is nonsense. The term 'global warming' is a scare tactic to > make people behave in a certain way. Anyone who actually studies the data > available would be foolish to believe in such at thing and 'believe' it you > must, because there's no REASON to agree with it. What motive(s) would NASA, the National Academy of Sciences, and the DOE, have in common? And what is meant by 'behave in a certain way?' Exactly what sort of behaviour do you have in mind? Burning coal in my fireplace? Trading in my car for a Hummer? Disconnecting my sewer line and putting a cesspool in the backyard? Robert Paul Reed College __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html