[lit-ideas] Re: Muhammed and the Giant Peach
- From: "JUDITH EVANS" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:37:54 -0000
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From: "Veronica Caley" <vcaley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:40 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muhammed and the Giant Peach
> Judy:
> I'm not saying people should not (e.g.) tell Muslims
> that they believe in freedom of speech
> What good is the belief if it can't be practiced because someone threatens
> your life, your embassy, etc.
Obviously, not much. But I fail to see this as a reply to my point -- see
below.
> Judy: One defends free speech by
> defending it.
>
> Sorry, I disagree. One defends it by practicing it.
1. to defend free speech *is* to practice free speech
2. but clearly you'll be obtaining copies of the cartoons, enlarging them
to poster size, and placing them in your front garden.
> Judy:I trust you blame the City of Detroit more than you
> blame the imam.
>
> I blame them both. Neither one of them likes or respects the first
> amendment to the US Constitution.
To blame them both equally is to ignore the greater power and freedom of the
city of Detroit.
> And Detroit is a poverty stricken city which can't afford to pay people
for
> violating their rights.
Irrelevant
>
> Judy:but religion was not admitted
> into politics.
>
> You are very fortunate. My Congressional representative campaigned on
> Catholic values. These include no birth control, no morning after pill
> even for 25,000 per year rape victims and getting women back in the home.
> He subscribes to the belief that women are responsible for the loss of
> moral values in the US
> due to the invention of the birth control pill. He won, 2:1. So you see,
> people here cannot be so calm about any religious issue, not just Muslim
> fanatics.
Yes I know.
>
> Judy:I think you mean Jewish people -- and others -- don't
> voice their outrage in the way that Muslims are doing
> now. I hope that continues to be the case.
>
> No, I would be just as upset by anyone voicing their outrage the way
> Muslims have reacted to this cartoon issue.
You misread me. I meant exactly what I said: that you meant that Jewish
people didn't voice their outrage in the way that Muslims (I should have
said, *certain* Muslims) are doing now. I really can't think of a clearer
way of putting it -- hence the repetition, in the hope that will get my
point across -- nor can I see anything in what I said to permit of your
interpretation.
My reference was to the mild
> reaction of non-Jews to these goings on in the Muslim world.
I'd noticed
> Yes, I know. Disapproval was expressed in responsible publications and
no,
> I did not want Westerners to get out on the street and burn buildings.
I'm glad to hear it.
And why was Hezbollah acceptable in the great country of
> Canada until Jewish groups protested it?
I have no idea
> Judy:A group calling itself Action Against Anti-Semitism
> marched into the Statesman's offices, demanding a
> printed apology. One eventually followed.
>
> What good are apologies when they are demanded?
oh for fuck's sake Veronica. I give up. I can't cope with this level of
misunderstanding.
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