--- Veronica Caley <vcaley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Judy:Incidentally "pluralism" has many meanings but > presumably in this context it implies a certain > sensitivity to the possible feelings of others > > Yes, this is true. However, about two years ago, I > read that scholars of > any religion, including Muslim, must publish their > findings re the Koran > anonymously as they fear being murdered. (etc.) I'm not saying people should not (e.g.) tell Muslims that they believe in freedom of speech. *Muslims* are themselves telling Muslims that right now. about 700 Muslims have demonstrated here against the cartoons: 1. our police are investigating those among them who "called for the massacre of those who insult Islam" 2. Muslim organizations here have condemned them and called for calm. But continually publishing the cartoons and further cartoons (which are I am told fake and whose aim can only be inflammatory) and calling that a defence of free speech, seems to be both absurd and -- in this instance -- wrong. One defends free speech by defending it. > A year or so ago the City of Detroit prohibited a > performance by Eminem. > He sued and won a couple of hundred thousand > dollars for the city's > violation of his freedom of expression. The local > imam wrote a letter to > the editor of the Detroit Free Press bemoaning that > the city can't censor > the obscene performance and that it had to pay for > violating someone's > freedom of expression. I trust you blame the City of Detroit more than you blame the imam. > I find this whole thing extremely frightening. It > seems like our freedoms > are being attacked from all quarters. The wimpy > Bush administration is > giving in to this at the same time as they are > spying on us. > The Christian right is busily working on doing away > with birth control and > women working. The New York Times waits a year and > censors itself before > revealing the internal spying. OK I understand -- but it is not like that here, I'm writing from my perspective, in a country where till Charles Kennedy resigned, one major party leader of three was Roman Catholic, another is probably really a Roman Catholic (Blair), but religion was not admitted into politics. (And the Lords and then the Commons bashed Blair's anti-terrorism and religious hate laws.) >The whole world is slipping into fundamentalism of >one kind or another. >The victims of this are people of liberal religion >or no religion. again not here and that probably explains some of my reaction (though I know US liberals who feel somewhat as I do) >>>>> And where is the outrage in the world about the virulent anti-Semitism in the Arab world and on Arab television. I understand there is even one story line about cannibal rabbis consuming Muslim children. >>>> I think you mean Jewish people -- and others -- don't voice their outrage in the way that Muslims are doing now. I hope that continues to be the case. Here's how a Jewish group here handled an instance of anti-semitism: >>>>>>>>> In January 2002 the New Statesman published a front page displaying a shimmering golden Star of David impaling a union flag, with the words "A kosher conspiracy?" The cover was widely and rightly condemned as anti-semitic. It's not difficult to see why. It played into vile stereotypes of money-grabbing Jewish cabals out to undermine the country they live in. Some put it down to a lapse of editorial judgment. But many saw it not as an aberration but part of a trend - one more broadside in an attack on Jews from the liberal left. A group calling itself Action Against Anti-Semitism marched into the Statesman's offices, demanding a printed apology. One eventually followed. The then editor, Peter Wilby, later confessed that he had not appreciated "the historic sensitivities" of Britain's Jews. I do not remember talk of a clash of civilisations in which Jewish values were inconsistent with the western traditions of freedom of speech or democracy. Nor do I recall editors across Europe rushing to reprint the cover in solidarity. <<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1701986,00.html Judy Evans, Cardiff ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos ? NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html