----- Original Message ----- From: "Veronica Caley" <vcaley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:40 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muhammed and the Giant Peach > Judy: > I'm not saying people should not (e.g.) tell Muslims > that they believe in freedom of speech > What good is the belief if it can't be practiced because someone threatens > your life, your embassy, etc. Obviously, not much. But I fail to see this as a reply to my point -- see below. > Judy: One defends free speech by > defending it. > > Sorry, I disagree. One defends it by practicing it. 1. to defend free speech *is* to practice free speech 2. but clearly you'll be obtaining copies of the cartoons, enlarging them to poster size, and placing them in your front garden. > Judy:I trust you blame the City of Detroit more than you > blame the imam. > > I blame them both. Neither one of them likes or respects the first > amendment to the US Constitution. To blame them both equally is to ignore the greater power and freedom of the city of Detroit. > And Detroit is a poverty stricken city which can't afford to pay people for > violating their rights. Irrelevant > > Judy:but religion was not admitted > into politics. > > You are very fortunate. My Congressional representative campaigned on > Catholic values. These include no birth control, no morning after pill > even for 25,000 per year rape victims and getting women back in the home. > He subscribes to the belief that women are responsible for the loss of > moral values in the US > due to the invention of the birth control pill. He won, 2:1. So you see, > people here cannot be so calm about any religious issue, not just Muslim > fanatics. Yes I know. > > Judy:I think you mean Jewish people -- and others -- don't > voice their outrage in the way that Muslims are doing > now. I hope that continues to be the case. > > No, I would be just as upset by anyone voicing their outrage the way > Muslims have reacted to this cartoon issue. You misread me. I meant exactly what I said: that you meant that Jewish people didn't voice their outrage in the way that Muslims (I should have said, *certain* Muslims) are doing now. I really can't think of a clearer way of putting it -- hence the repetition, in the hope that will get my point across -- nor can I see anything in what I said to permit of your interpretation. My reference was to the mild > reaction of non-Jews to these goings on in the Muslim world. I'd noticed > Yes, I know. Disapproval was expressed in responsible publications and no, > I did not want Westerners to get out on the street and burn buildings. I'm glad to hear it. And why was Hezbollah acceptable in the great country of > Canada until Jewish groups protested it? I have no idea > Judy:A group calling itself Action Against Anti-Semitism > marched into the Statesman's offices, demanding a > printed apology. One eventually followed. > > What good are apologies when they are demanded? oh for fuck's sake Veronica. I give up. I can't cope with this level of misunderstanding. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html